Pete Rose

[Apeman711]

Aug 20, 2012 0:22:14 GMT -5 Apeman711 said:

Aug 19, 2012 22:20:30 GMT -5 2091401 said:
There's no rule that says betting results in banishment from the HoF. That's just what the commissioner thought was just.

I say he should definitely be inducted. It's not like he was fixing the games. He was betting on his team, not against them. He's one of the greatest players in MLB history. Betting as a manager shouldn't have had nearly as serious consequences.
He was still breaking the rules, something that he knew was against the rules. He should expect and accept any punishment that is given to him by the commissioner.
No one's debating whether or not he broke the rules. He admitted to it himself. But just because the commissioner thinks that the ridiculous punishment of banning arguably the greatest hitter of all time from the HoF is justified, doesn't mean he's right.

It's against the rules to use steroids, but being caught using them usually carries no more than a short suspension. It takes four positive tests to actually be suspended for a season. If that's considered "fair" by the commissioner, then why does betting on your team, a very slight offense compared to 4 positive PED tests, carry a much larger punishment?

 

[Apeman711]

That's because because revoking HoF status is a punishment that impacts Pete greatly. Obviously someone who isn't Hall worthy wouldn't be stopped from entering the Hall, but the punishment would be just as severe to them as this was to Pete.

 

[2091401]

Aug 20, 2012 15:28:56 GMT -5 Apeman711 said:^Still a better commissioner than Gary Bettman.

Even if he was one of the greatest hitters ever, it doesn't mean that he should be exempt from punishments. If Barrack Obama murdered someone in cold blood, he would face the same charges as a normal citizen that did so. He would not be exempt from punishment just because he's the president.
Did I ever say that he should be exempt from punishments? No.

In fact, my argument is almost the exact opposite. I'm saying that a player/manager who wasn't HoF-worthy would have had a much less severe punishment. The commissioner just used the fact that he's HoF-worthy against him, which is anything but fair.

 

[2091401]

Aug 20, 2012 15:28:56 GMT -5 Apeman711 said:^Still a better commissioner than Gary Bettman.

Even if he was one of the greatest hitters ever, it doesn't mean that he should be exempt from punishments. If Barrack Obama murdered someone in cold blood, he would face the same charges as a normal citizen that did so. He would not be exempt from punishment just because he's the president.
Did I ever say that he should be exempt from punishments? No.

In fact, my argument is almost the exact opposite. I'm saying that a player/manager who wasn't HoF-worthy would have had a much less severe punishment. The commissioner just used the fact that he's HoF-worthy against him, which is anything but fair.

 

[don0tto]

Aug 20, 2012 15:15:04 GMT -5 don0tto said:

Aug 19, 2012 17:30:23 GMT -5 Apeman711 said:No he shouldn't. Betting is clearly labeled as illegal, and the punishment is clear as well. Even if he was one of the greatest players ever, the punishment has to remain the same as for everyone.

You can thank bud selig for being the biggest moron

What does Pete Rose have to do with Bud Selig? Giamatti is the one who pretty much banned him from baseball. Not only that, but Giamatti seemed to have it in for Pete Rose. Giamatti didn't like him, which is why the punishment was so severe, in my opinion. Could it be more about a personal grudge than the betting itself? Pete Rose has the ability to apply for his banishment to be lifted, but I don't see Bud Selig granting it to him if he did apply. It would be the right thing, but with people breaking the rules all the time in the MLB, it might be best to wait a little longer until we are way past The Steroid Era.

 

[don0tto]

Aug 20, 2012 15:15:04 GMT -5 don0tto said:

Aug 19, 2012 17:30:23 GMT -5 Apeman711 said:No he shouldn't. Betting is clearly labeled as illegal, and the punishment is clear as well. Even if he was one of the greatest players ever, the punishment has to remain the same as for everyone.

You can thank bud selig for being the biggest moron

What does Pete Rose have to do with Bud Selig? Giamatti is the one who pretty much banned him from baseball. Not only that, but Giamatti seemed to have it in for Pete Rose. Giamatti didn't like him, which is why the punishment was so severe, in my opinion. Could it be more about a personal grudge than the betting itself? Pete Rose has the ability to apply for his banishment to be lifted, but I don't see Bud Selig granting it to him if he did apply. It would be the right thing, but with people breaking the rules all the time in the MLB, it might be best to wait a little longer until we are way past The Steroid Era.

 

[Apeman711]

Aug 20, 2012 15:28:56 GMT -5 Apeman711 said:^Still a better commissioner than Gary Bettman.

Even if he was one of the greatest hitters ever, it doesn't mean that he should be exempt from punishments. If Barrack Obama murdered someone in cold blood, he would face the same charges as a normal citizen that did so. He would not be exempt from punishment just because he's the president.

Funny how when bud selig came Steriod era began. What makes bettman so bad?

And please dont tell me betting on baseball is worse then steriods. i bet any money when selif finally leaves the next commissioner should be smart enough to lift his ban and pt him in the hof where he belongs.

 

[Apeman711]

Aug 20, 2012 15:28:56 GMT -5 Apeman711 said:^Still a better commissioner than Gary Bettman.

Even if he was one of the greatest hitters ever, it doesn't mean that he should be exempt from punishments. If Barrack Obama murdered someone in cold blood, he would face the same charges as a normal citizen that did so. He would not be exempt from punishment just because he's the president.

Funny how when bud selig came Steriod era began. What makes bettman so bad?

And please dont tell me betting on baseball is worse then steriods. i bet any money when selif finally leaves the next commissioner should be smart enough to lift his ban and pt him in the hof where he belongs.

 

[2091401]

Aug 20, 2012 20:00:42 GMT -5 Car889 said:
I will say this, if we are going to allow players from the "steroid era" make the hall of fame we must first let guys like Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson be inducted if we're going to let McGwire, Bonds, etc. in the hall of fame.

I definitely agree.

 

[2091401]

Aug 20, 2012 20:00:42 GMT -5 Car889 said:
I will say this, if we are going to allow players from the "steroid era" make the hall of fame we must first let guys like Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson be inducted if we're going to let McGwire, Bonds, etc. in the hall of fame.

I definitely agree.

 

[don0tto]

//storage.proboards.com/2930147/avatar/cnEucbYCBIqxP0zXFVib.pngSept 1, 2012 21:38:48 GMT -5 Cameron said:

Aug 20, 2012 20:00:42 GMT -5 Car889 said:
I will say this, if we are going to allow players from the "steroid era" make the hall of fame we must first let guys like Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson be inducted if we're going to let McGwire, Bonds, etc. in the hall of fame.

I definitely agree.

i say stricken the rules u test postive onece your banned.