Bucks Reacts Survey: Who should start at the two and three?

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Welcome to SB Nation Reacts, a survey of fans across the NBA. Throughout the year we ask questions of the most plugged-in Bucks fans and fans across the country. Sign up here to participate in the weekly emailed surveys.

It’s been a good month since we last surveyed you about the upcoming iteration of the Milwaukee Bucks; in previous editions, we focused a bit more on the starting point guard role with the returns of Kevin Porter Jr. and Ryan Rollins, plus the addition of Cole Anthony. But that’s not the area of the roster with the most intrigue, which would be on the wing, particularly when it comes to who gets starting nods. So that’s what we’re asking fans about today.

For the first time in over a decade, the Bucks will enter the year without a bona fide stud on the wing, now that franchise legend Khris Middleton is plying his trade in the nation’s capital. Kyle Kuzma assumed the starting role at the three last year with… less than ideal results. Gary Trent Jr. began the year starting at the two, but was soon moved to the bench for nearly the entire season. Don’t get it twisted, though: after those first several games among the starting five past, GTJ was sensational last year. That’s part of why he made the starting lineup for the Bucks’ elimination game in Indianapolis several months ago, where he was joined by AJ Green. They not only replaced Kuz, but also Taurean Prince, who started at the three and then somewhat inexplicably the two all of last year. Both him and Kuzma struggled mightily in their first playoff run with the Bucks.

Now both of them are back, and the younger two guards are breathing down their necks for playing time. Green and Trent combined with Porter to form an interesting, if undersized group in the backcourt/on the wing next to Giannis and Bobby Portis. Presumably, that lineup can work with newcomer Myles Turner up front, but either way, the data from late last season was super encouraging, despite the small sample size. That’s led Marques Johnson to start calling them the “Triumverate.”

Now we turn it over to you. Are you encouraged enough by that two-three combo of Green and Trent to start them? Or do you want one of the regular-season guys to remain in the unit that will take the floor against Washington in October? Vote below:

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/nba-reacts...aj-green-gary-trent-kyle-kuzma-taurean-prince
 
Milwaukee’s problematic path of one-way point guards: Chapter 2

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I’m back for Chapter 2 of this series! If you haven’t already, go back and read Chapter 1, where I first broke down weak link theory and its application to the last three Bucks starting point guards. Then, I took the reader on a trip down memory lane to 2018 when Milwaukee became a truly dominant team, statistically analysing how they became so dominant. Finally, I discussed Eric Bledsoe’s severe offensive struggles in the playoffs, which ultimately led to his ouster. In Chapter 2, I’ll discuss Bledsoe’s replacement, Jrue Holiday, and his offensive struggles in the postseason. I’ll also statistically analyse Milwaukee’s title and how it compares with other NBA champions, before finally debating if the trade for Holiday was really a success. Enjoy!


Weak link No. 2: Jrue Holiday

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Jrue Holiday was supposed to pick up the same defensive thread that Eric Bledsoe left while providing a more efficient shooting option. Now, was Holiday more impactful than Bledsoe on the whole? Absolutely. Holiday’s regular-season stats were pretty damn good at 18.5 PPG, 6.8 APG, 4.7 RPG, and 2.0 steals+blocks per game, while shooting 49.5% from the field and 39.5% from three on 5.3 attempts per game. At the same time, we shouldn’t forget that Eric Bledsoe’s regular-season stats wearing Bucks green weren’t too shabby either: 16.3 PPG, 5.3 APG, 4.4 RPG, and 2.0 steals+blocks per game, while shooting 47.9% from the field and 34.0% from three on 4.5 attempts per game. But the regular season was never Bledsoe’s problem; the reason he was traded was that his shooting efficiency dropped precipitously in the playoffs. Well, guess what? Jrue Holiday’s playoff efficiency ended up being just as bad:

StatisticEric Bledsoe Jrue Holiday
Playoff games3140
PPG13.117.9
APG4.67.9
RPG3.95.8
SPG1.11.6
TPG2.32.6
FG%41.10% (11.8 attempts)39.60% (17.7 attempts)
3P%25.40% (4.1 attempts)30.40% (6.6 attempts)
2P%49.40% (7.8 attempts)45.10% (11.2 attempts)
FT%73.20% (3.1 attempts)75.00% (2.5 attempts)
TS%49.40%46.90%

I understand the defensive responsibilities Bledsoe and Holiday took on in the postseason, but that can’t be the sole reason for this level of poor shooting. I think it’s fair to conclude that had both starting point guards shot more efficiently when it mattered most, the butterfly effect could have been substantial when considering how dominant those Bucks teams were in most other areas. At the same time, it’s worth acknowledging that Horst acquired Holiday to be a significant offensive improvement from Bledsoe in these key moments, and he did not live up to that, period.

I even became curious and isolated Jrue’s three-point shooting (just to look at one shot distance) to see if there was some key difference in the type of threes he was taking between the regular season and the playoffs that might help to explain this drop-off; the answer is no, there really wasn’t. For example, during the 2020–21 regular season, Holiday shot 37.9% on catch-and-shoot threes with a 14.1% shot frequency; in the playoffs of that same season, he shot 31.5% with a 13.9% frequency. The same shot and (virtually) same shot frequency, and the percentage declined a fair amount in the playoffs. Of course, there’s always the fatigue angle with core guys playing more minutes in the postseason, but that applies to every team.

Therefore, I wondered: although most fans (me included) instinctively look back on the Holiday trade and view it as a success because the Bucks won a title—and as Brian Windhorst’s famous saying goes, “when you win, it means never having to say you’re sorry”—are we sure the trade elevated the team to the level of a champion? Or, is it more likely that the 2020–21 team—while continuing to play the same dominant brand of basketball that continually put Milwaukee, at the very least, in the championship conversation—caught some breaks other Bucks teams may not have during some of the previous (and following) postseasons, and won a title, which masks the fact that this “blockbuster trade” actually wasn’t as additive as you might think? And to be clear, I think there were some material differences in the title team, particularly in mental fortitude and strategy, that differentiated it from teams prior; winning a ‘chip obviously can’t be reduced to “catching breaks.” My point, however, is that it’s up for debate how much Jrue impacted these differences. Let’s investigate.

Analysing Milwaukee’s title (and Jrue Holiday’s role in it)

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As the table below shows, Milwaukee won the title in 2020–21 with a statistical profile far less impressive than that of the 2018–19 season—both in the regular season and the playoffs—reinforcing the sense that the team’s inability to beat the Raptors may haunt them as a significant missed opportunity. Elsewhere, the regular season profile of the 2019–20 season sticks out on this table; that team was dominating before Covid halted the season. They ended that shortened regular season with a 56-17 (!) record. On the other hand, the playoff profile of that team, although it appears similar to the previous season’s playoff profile on paper, is less credible because the sample size is substantially reduced (five-game loss in the second round). Man, it still would’ve been nice to see that team play in front of real fans, though. Granted, it’s certainly no guarantee that the Bucks would have beaten the Heat—who went all the way to the “bubble” NBA Finals—in a typical environment, especially seeing as they lost in a gentleman’s sweep.

SeasonOffence (reg. season)Defence (reg. season)Offence (playoffs)Defence (playoffs)
2020–21 (Holiday)116.5 (5th)110.7 (9th) 112.2 (11th)106.8 (1st)
2019–20 (Bledsoe)111.9 (8th)102.5 (1st)109.1 (8th)107.3 (4th)
2018–19 (Bledsoe)113.5 (4th)104.9 (1st)110.7 (4th)101.9 (1st)

With all of that in mind, the question that might dawn on you is, “did the Bucks get lucky winning that championship?” More specifically, “is winning the title with the top playoff defence and 11th-best offence out of the norm?” The first and most obvious point to make clear is that yes, the higher a team ranks in both categories, the more their chances of winning increase. But teams can also win championships “on balance.” What I mean by “on balance” is that even if a team severely struggles on one end (like the Bucks did on offence in the title season), their proficiency on the other end can save them. In the 2020–21 playoffs, the Bucks were first on defence but 10 spots away from first on offence, thus 10 spots away from “perfect.” This is comparable to the Raptors in the 2018–19 playoffs being six spots away from first on offence and three spots away on defence, which equals nine spots away from “perfect.”

NBA champion table

Season and champion OffenceDefenceSpots from “perfect”
2024–25: Oklahoma City114.3 (5th)105.7 (1st)4
2023–24: Boston116.8 (4th)108.2 (3rd) 5
2022–23: Denver118.2 (1st)110.2 (4th)3
2021–22: Golden State114.5 (4th)109.6 (6th)8
2020–21: Milwaukee112.2 (11th)106.8 (1st)10
2019–20: Los Angeles115.6 (2nd)108.7 (6th)6
2018–19: Toronto109.8 (7th)104.2 (4th)9
2017-18: Golden State 112.7 (1st)102.0 (1st)
2016–17: Golden State118.2 (2nd)105.3 (2nd)2
Spots from “perfect”114.6 (1st)105.2 (8th)7

In short, Milwaukee won the championship despite a horrid playoff offence because of their elite defence. Jrue was a key reason both of those happened. Had the Bucks had, say, even the third-best defence, they likely wouldn’t have won a title that year. But to answer the above question, I do not think the Bucks were “lucky” in winning that championship. However, while that team’s statistical profile was in the realm of other champions, it does appear to be at least a mild outlier that required some breaks to go their way. The reason I make that point is not to diminish the title in any way whatsoever; the “asterisk ring” conversation is reductive and silly. I say that to make the point that winning another title with an outlier profile, by its very nature, would be highly unlikely.

To win again, the team needed to move their profile towards the standard of around 4–7 spots from “perfect,” as the table indicates. Unfortunately, Milwaukee’s statistical playoff profile moved further away (from the 10 spots from “perfect” that they won with in 2021) over the next two regular seasons and playoffs—as the table at the bottom of this paragraph shows—and accordingly, the team did not advance past the second round. Jrue continued to be an offensive weak link, shooting poorly in both campaigns.

SeasonOffence (reg. season)Defence (reg. season)Offence (playoffs)Defence (playoffs)
2022–23114.3 (15th)110.9 (4th) 114.2 (6th)119.0 (15th)
2021–22114.3 (3rd) 111.1 (14th) 103.4 (15th)102.7 (1st)

Before this section concludes, I should acknowledge the possibility of outside factors contributing to Jrue’s shooting struggles in Milwaukee, such as injuries to Khris Middleton in 2022 and Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2023, which theoretically may have expanded his role to a degree he wasn’t comfortable with. At the same time, considering the stats I reference in the next section from the 2021 playoffs—when the big three were healthy for (basically) the entire run and Jrue still shot very poorly—I don’t know how much credence to give that argument.

I suppose you could argue that the way Boston dramatically shrank Jrue’s offensive responsibilities, asking him to play a lot as a corner shooter and dunker-spot operator, it shows that he is capable of upping his postseason efficiency in a specific role (49.8% from the field and 38.9% from three on 5.2 attempts per game over two playoff runs). However, the Celtics were one of the few NBA teams that could realistically afford to have a player earning $30m per season be their fourth or fifth option due to 1. excellent team construction and 2. the ginormous tax bill their owners were willing to pay (for a few seasons, at least).

The final verdict

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As far as declaring if the Holiday trade was a “success” or not, I struggle to answer definitively either way. I suppose I would call it a success on the logic that 1. the theory of how Jrue would elevate the team worked (to a certain degree) in the regular season, and 2. the trade allowed the team to maintain its defensive identity, which had proven to be a prosperous formula that had yet to translate to a title, and then it finally did. Some may think no. 2 is me trying too hard to flatter the front office, but I consider this extremely valuable. If I were to make my best case as to why the trade was a success, I would emphasise that acquiring Jrue didn’t rock what was an incredibly smooth-sailing boat (dumb analogy, but run with me here). Now, Jrue was acquired to streamline the boat, which I don’t think he did; however, there was no realistic scenario in which the boat would sink with Jrue, which crucially differentiates this trade from the one that followed it.

On the other hand, I could entertain the idea that the trade was not a success on the logic that 1. the way Jrue shot in the playoffs, it seems fairly possible that the Bucks still would’ve won that title with Bledsoe anyway, and 2. if Horst was mortgaging the future, he needed to shoot higher than Holiday for a player who he was all but certain would not bring the same issues that Bledsoe did. Granted, no. 2 is a very tall order. Regardless, the Bucks had a formula that continued to put them at least on the fringes of the championship conversation before they acquired Holiday—the same formula that ultimately won out with Holiday on the team—but the raw stats don’t necessarily indicate that Holiday “tipped the scale” in a way that Bledsoe could not have.

Certainly, Jrue’s defence in the 2021 playoffs was elite and, it’s fair to say, was probably better than Eric’s in prior playoff campaigns. To what degree was it better? Well, that’s always going to be difficult to measure quantitatively, at least. Eric made consecutive NBA All-Defensive teams with the Bucks in the 2018–19 and 2019–20 seasons; he was no slouch on that front. Looking at advanced stats, Holiday’s defensive box plus/minus (DBPM)—defined by Basketball Reference as a box score estimate of the defensive points per 100 possessions a player contributed above a league-average player, translated to an average team—in those playoffs was 1.2; Bledsoe’s playoff DBPM the year prior was also 1.2. By and large, I would say both players made somewhat similar contributions on defence. That said, I can’t act like I don’t intuitively feel like Holiday was a notch above and a more impactful playmaker—the “valley-oop” being the most notable example of that.

On offence, Holiday assisted more than Bledsoe ever did in any playoffs he was a part of with the Bucks. Jrue averaged 8.7 dimes per game in the 2021 postseason; Eric was at an average of 5.9 in the playoffs prior. It should also be mentioned that Holiday made a number of clutch shots in that playoff run. However, the facts are that Jrue shot 40.6% from the field in those playoffs and 48.2% true shooting. Per Basketball Reference, the average shooting percentage in those playoffs was 46.2%; the average true shooting percentage was 57.1%. Holiday just had to be better than that as the team’s third-highest paid player. And yes, by the same token, I also believe that Milwaukee would’ve had the same unsuccessful results in the two seasons after that with Bledsoe as well. But the key difference is that if Horst stuck with Bledsoe, the team wouldn’t have been out two firsts and two swaps. Fans will never know the opportunity cost of parting ways with those picks and whether acquiring a different player than Holiday could have prevented the need for further major transactions, which then would have afforded Horst a boatload more flexibility than he has now.

Update: Some commenters have pointed out that although Jrue may not have made shots at a high rate in the playoffs, he shot at a higher rate, and crucially, teams guarded him like more of a shooter. I researched this and, credit where credit is due, there is indeed some truth there. In the 2018–19 playoffs, Bledsoe shot “wide open” threes (classed as six or more feet of space between the shooter and the closest defender) at a 26.5% frequency (and the next season’s playoffs at a 16.3% frequency). Jrue Holiday, in all three of his playoffs with the Bucks, shot “wide open” threes at around a 17% frequency (if I were to average it out). I admit that this was something I had not considered in my research. Indeed, it is another critical data point for those calling the trade a success.



Check back in next week for Chapter 3, the final of this series, where I’ll break down the brief Damian Lillard era in Milwaukee, analysing the logic behind the move, what the stats (and the eye test) tell us about how translatable Lillard’s game truly is to winning at the highest level, the role injuries played in his two years in the Cream City, and if a trade for a “lesser player” might have resulted in more success for Milwaukee.

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-anal...ba-weak-link-theory-jrue-holiday-eric-bledsoe
 
The chapter of errors, part IV: 15 biggest mistakes by the Milwaukee Bucks (2002–2025)

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6. The Chinese Dragon turned into a lizard: Drafting Yi Jianlian with the sixth pick (2007)

A year before drafting Joe Alexander, the Bucks made another draft blunder—only this one had a global dimension. In 2007, riding on the success of Yao Ming in the NBA, more and more clubs looked greedily at the Chinese market and Chinese talent (also, see Yang Hansen 2025). As luck would have it, Yi Jianlian declared for the draft—a 19-year-old (allegedly) power forward, standing 7’0″, who could also play center, with a decent mid-range shot. The Chinese press hailed him as Yao’s successor, even though he played a different position—because the hype in China was enormous: Yi dominated the youth CBA league, had athleticism and a skillset rarely seen in Chinese big men. US analysts, however, had many doubts: firstly—the level of the Chinese league was difficult to compare with NCAA or Europe; secondly—Yi was reluctant to showcase himself to scouts. His agent (the famous Dan Fegan) was selective: Yi conducted private workouts only for chosen top clubs from large cities (LA, Chicago, Boston), and others—including Milwaukee—were deliberately not invited. Indeed, Yi’s camp openly warned against drafting him if you were a small market. The guy didn’t want to end up in a place without a Chinese community and where he wouldn’t benefit marketing-wise. Milwaukee was probably at the top of the “undesirable” list—small city, cold, no Asian community.

The Bucks, however, had a different perspective. They had the no. 6 pick and needed a talented big man. In that draft, top prospects were Greg Oden, Kevin Durant (obviously out of reach), then Al Horford, Mike Conley, Jeff Green—those five went before Milwaukee. Yi and a few others remained (Joakim Noah, Corey Brewer, Brandan Wright). Most American experts predicted the Bucks should take Noah—a fresh two-time NCAA champion from Florida, an energizer, a defender, an ideal partner for Bogut under the basket. Noah, however, had a colorful personality and some offensive shortcomings; perhaps they feared trouble. There was also a rumor that the Bucks owner, Senator Herb Kohl, saw a marketing opportunity in Yi—after all, having the second Chinese player after Yao in the NBA meant potential access to millions of fans in Asia, sponsorship contracts, etc. Legend has it that for the draft, the Bucks even hired a Chinese translator and had everything figured out on how to sell Milwaukee to Chinese fans.

And so they picked Yi Jianlian with the 6th pick. Reactions: Chinese media went wild with joy, American media—with a mix of surprise and mockery. Indeed, Yi and his agent were not thrilled. A telenovela began: Yi Jianlian, for over two months, refused to sign a contract with the Bucks. His side argued that Milwaukee “did not meet his basketball and marketing needs.” The Bucks sent a delegation to China to convince him—Senator Kohl himself went, reportedly meeting with representatives of the Chinese federation and Yi’s club. It was even said that NBA authorities had to quietly pressure them because the situation was dangerous (if Yi had backed out, it would have been a precedent for a foreign player’s rebellion). Ultimately, in late August 2007, Yi relented and signed the contract. A sigh of relief and success was declared: the Bucks have their dragon!

Unfortunately, it quickly became apparent that the dragon was more of a lizard. Yi started the season decently—Scott Skiles (then head coach) even gave him significant minutes as a power forward alongside Bogut. He had flashes: in December, he was even named Rookie of the Month once (averaging 20 points and seven rebounds per game in December—mainly due to one big game of 29 points against the Knicks). He also had a duel with Yao Ming, a highly publicized game televised to China, where Yi scored 19 points and grabbed nine rebounds—impressive for a rookie (although the Rockets still won, and Yao had his own numbers). Chinese fans followed Yi’s every move; the Bucks’ viewership in China soared—at one point, it was said that 200 million people watched the Bucks-Rockets game in China! Marketing success, seemingly.

But sportingly, a flop. Yi looked worse with each passing month. His stats: he finished the season with averages of 8.6 points and 5.2 rebounds per game on 42% shooting with a dismal 29% from three. After the All-Star break, he faded (as rookies from other continents often do). He also sustained a wrist injury, missing many games. His defense was poor; he was easily pushed around (he weighed perhaps 240 pounds at 7’0″), and on offense, he liked the mid-range but did nothing exceptionally. This serves as a reminder that Bucks had young Ersan İlyasova (from the 2005 draft)—although Ersan was still in Europe then, when he returned a year later, he proved to be better than Yi.

And here’s a curious fact: Milwaukee stuck with Yi… for only one year. After his rookie season, they decided to cut their losses and, using his residual hype, traded him. In the summer of 2008, the Bucks traded Yi Jianlian and Bobby Simmons to the New Jersey Nets for Richard Jefferson. This was a “win now” move—Jefferson was supposed to bring experience and scoring (which he partly did). Meanwhile, New Jersey wanted to tap into the Chinese market, so they eagerly took Yi. For the Bucks, this was essentially an admission of error quite quickly. Yi himself played a bit more for the Nets for two seasons (11 PPG and six RPG in 2009–10—nothing great), then had brief stints with the Wizards and Mavericks before disappearing from the NBA after four years. The Chinese Kevin Durant—as he was maliciously called—turned out to be a bust. There was a lot of controversy regarding his age: some sources discovered that he might have been 2–3 years older than reported (allegedly born in 1987, but school documents suggested 1984). If true, the Bucks, by drafting him at age 19, were actually taking a 22-year-old—a smaller margin for development. To this day, it remains a mystery (though after returning to China, Yi played long and well, so who knows about that age).

Looking at who they could have had in 2007: Joakim Noah (no. 9), Thaddeus Young (no. 12, a solid forward for over a decade), Al Thornton (no. 14, he was also a bust), Rodney Stuckey no. 15, a decent combo guard), Nick Young (no. 16), or Marc Gasol (no. 48)—the biggest steal: no one drafted him that high because he was heavy then, but still an All-Star and DPOY in his career. And in the top 10 were Horford (no. 3) and Conley (no. 4), but they went earlier. Would Noah have been better for the Bucks? Probably yes, because he became a two-time All-Star, Defensive Player of the Year, and the heart of the Bulls. Imagine a Noah-Bogut frontcourt: defensively superb, though offense would have suffered. But they probably would have traded him in the future anyway— doesn’t matter.

The fact is, Yi Jianlian is one of the biggest draft blunders for the Bucks because they picked him somewhat against their own instinct (the agent says “no,” they say “oh yes, we will!”) and against perhaps better available talents. They naively hoped to find another Dirk Nowitzki (since he’s tall with a shot, why not), and they got another Nikoloz Tskitishvili (who remembers that bust at no. 5 from 2002). The only plus: thanks to this story, the Bucks became popular in China for a year. But what good was that if it didn’t translate into wins?

Yi lands at number six on our list, because although statistically slightly better than Joe Alexander, the expectations and turmoil surrounding him were so immense that the scale of disappointment was equally huge. To this day, older Bucks fans recall with a smirk: “they could have had Noah, but they took the guy who dueled with a chair”. The Bucks learned then that the draft is not the place to build a fan base in Asia—here, you need to pick players who want to play for you and fit the team.

5. The pick went up in smoke: The disastrous Greivis Vásquez trade (2015)

Some mistakes are so incomprehensible that fans still scratch their heads asking, “Seriously, did that happen?” Here’s one of them. The 2015 Draft, Barclays Center, Brooklyn. The Bucks are fresh off their aforementioned successful 41-41 season, have a young team, and a first-round pick, around number 17. With such a pick, you’re usually hunting for a prospect to develop, maybe a shooter, maybe a big man—plenty of options. Suddenly, news of a trade breaks: the Milwaukee Bucks are trading their first-round pick (no. 17) and a second-round pick (no. 46) to the Toronto Raptors, in exchange for point guard Greivis Vásquez.

Bucks fans: consternation. Greivis Vásquez? That tall Venezuelan guard from the Raptors? Toronto would surely be happy to get rid of him, as they already had Kyle Lowry and younger players. Yes, Vásquez was a decent backup—a few years earlier, he had a flash in New Orleans (even averaged nine assists per game as a starter), but in 2015 his form was already declining, and he lost some minutes with the Raptors. And for him, they’re giving away pick no. 17 and no. 46? What the hell…

Unfortunately, it wasn’t a dream. GM John Hammond decided that the Bucks needed an experienced backup point guard and overpaid like a hired hand. Greivis Vásquez landed in Milwaukee, where he was supposed to provide shooting and playmaking off the bench. In theory, he fit the backup role behind Michael Carter-Williams (he could shoot threes, which MCW couldn’t). But reality can be cruel: Vásquez played just 23 games for the Bucks, performing poorly (six points per game, 38% from the field), then underwent ankle surgery and… never played for Milwaukee again. In the next season, he tried again with the Nets, but more injuries—that was essentially the end of Greivis’ career. So the Bucks traded two picks for 23 games of a mediocre backup.

Alright, what about those picks? Well, here’s the rub: the Toronto Raptors extracted true gifts from Milwaukee. They used pick no. 46 in 2015 to draft Norman Powell—a dynamic shooting guard who became a valuable rotation player. He shone in his debut, then developed and was an important backup in the Raptors’ 2019 championship run, now a solid scorer averaging over 15 points per game. Even worse—or rather, better for the Raptors—was what they did with pick no. 17 in 2015. Right after the trade in 2015, the Raptors didn’t use it immediately since it was a protected pick (a Clippers pick that Milwaukee had previously acquired, with a future realization if it fell appropriately). In any case, in the 2017 draft, the Bucks’ pick (which fell to no. 23) was used by the Raptors to select OG Anunoby. And OG, as we know today, is one of the best wing defenders in the league, a heck of a player: in 2023, he was even close to the league lead in steals, a consistently solid starter (approximarly 15 points and five rebounds per game, plus elite defense), and was talked about as an All-Defensive Team candidate. So the Raptors got two significant players (Powell and Anunoby), while the Bucks got nothing.

This trade is often ridiculed, even in league-wide rankings of the worst trades of the decade. Greivis Vásquez himself admitted years later that he felt embarrassed to have been traded for such a price. In one interview, he said, “it’s not that I was worth it. It’s just that the Raptors played it well,” obviously appreciating Masai Ujiri (Toronto’s then-GM), who outsmarted Milwaukee like children. To this day, it’s incomprehensible: why did the Bucks want Vásquez so badly? Other guards were available on the market for a lower price. Did Kidd want him because he liked tall backcourts? Or did Hammond believe Greivis would be the missing piece?

It must be added in context: that summer of 2015 was also when the Bucks tried to make an “accelerated leap”—they signed a large contract with Greg Monroe (not the 10th biggest mistake, because Monroe played well for a year, but didn’t fit the style—that’s another matter), they just acquired Vásquez—generally, they expected to be a strong playoff team. It didn’t work out; the 2015–16 season was disappointing. And assets went to waste.

In our list, this mistake is top five—specifically, place five—because it represents the height of poor asset management. You trade the future (picks) for the present, but the present yields nothing. In a casino, they’d say you lost twice. Powell and OG Anunoby would have been very useful for the Bucks in later years (Powell, for example, played great against them in the 2019 series against the Raptors; OG was injured then, but in 2021, they lacked such a wing). Instead, they had the memory of Vásquez in a green jersey.

It’s also an example of how one small move can hurt for years. When the Raptors celebrated their title in 2019, the Bucks had already been eliminated—and on the podium stood Norman Powell with the trophy and OG (though he didn’t play, he received a ring), both likely thanking Milwaukee for their generosity. And Bucks fans? They’re left with black humor: “if you ever face a decision whether to give away something valuable for next to nothing, think of this trade. And don’t do it.”

4. “Brogdon? No, thank you”: Letting go (not paying) of Malcolm Brogdon (2019)

Sometimes an NBA club misjudges its priorities and pays for it with a drop in quality. This happened in the summer of 2019 with the Milwaukee Bucks and Malcolm Brogdon. This case is all the more painful because it concerns a very well-liked player, and the background was cost-saving—something fans hate to see at the expense of sporting success.

Let’s recall: Malcolm Brogdon came to the Bucks in 2016 as an underrated rookie from the second round (pick no. 36). It quickly became clear that he was a draft steal; in his very first season, Brogdon won the 2017 Rookie of the Year award (which is unprecedented for a second-round pick). He didn’t impress with athleticism, but with intelligence, composure, and versatility. In subsequent years, he became an important piece of the puzzle: capable of playing both point guard and shooting guard alongside Giannis and Middleton. He was known for incredible efficiency: in the 2018–19 season, he joined the elite 50-40-90 club (over 50% from the field, 40% from three, 90% from the free-throw line). Brogdon did many small things: smart defense, hitting open threes, driving to the basket (nicknamed “The President,” because he was serious and balanced).

Unfortunately, the Bucks reached the Eastern Conference Finals and lost to the Raptors in 2019, and Brogdon missed a significant part of those playoffs due to a foot injury (he returned only for the Toronto series, but off the bench). In the summer of 2019, he became a restricted free agent. Milwaukee had a problem of riches: almost the entire roster needed new contracts. Giannis was still on his old contract, but Middleton expected a max (he got five years, $178m), Brook Lopez a new deal (he got four years, $52m), plus role players. The owners clearly signaled: we can exceed the tax threshold, but no extravagances. The mistake was that they considered keeping Brogdon an “extravagance.”

The Bucks had Brogdon’s RFA rights; they could match any offer. Brogdon was expecting around $20m annually—a lot, but given his quality, not surprising. Meanwhile, the Bucks had quietly agreed on a plan before the free agency window opened: they would send Brogdon to the Indiana Pacers in a sign-and-trade for a draft pick and two second-rounders (something like “better something than nothing”). The Pacers, of course, gladly gave him four years, $85m. Milwaukee received a 2020 first-round pick (which ultimately was quite low at no. 24—it eventually became a part of the Jrue Holiday trade).

In this way, the Bucks chose Eric Bledsoe over Brogdon. Because it’s worth mentioning that in March 2019 (a few months earlier), they made another questionable decision: they gave Bledsoe (who was having a great regular season) a four-year, $70m extension, right before the playoffs. Then, Bledsoe disappointed again in the playoffs (shot terribly against the Raptors), and Brogdon—though returning from injury—played well. It seemed clear: Bledsoe was an offensive problem, Brogdon would be useful. However, the contract had already gone to Bledsoe, and that likely made them unwilling to spend on expensive Brogdon financially. The result: the Bucks kept the cheaper Bledsoe, let Brogdon go. The money added up, the talent not so much.

The 2019–20 season showed the consequences. Yes, Milwaukee still dominated the regular season (best NBA record). But something was missing: Brogdon’s shooting and playmaking. Bledsoe still defended excellently, but offensively, he remained limited (inaccurate shot, poor decisions). In the 2020 playoffs, disaster struck: a second-round loss to the Miami Heat (4-1). One of the key reasons was the lack of a third reliable shooter and ballhandler besides Giannis and Middleton. Bledsoe played a terrible series (averaging 11 points, shooting 33% from the field, left wide open on the perimeter). More than one fan whispered: “Brogdon would be useful now…” Brogdon, with Indiana, also got eliminated in the bubble (against Miami in the first round, the Pacers were swept), but he actually played well (averaging 21 PPG and 10 APG in that series—he clearly could perform against the Heat).

Overall, Brogdon in the Pacers showed a new level as a primary point guard: in his first season, he averaged 7.1 APG, which in the Bucks with Giannis probably wouldn’t have been needed as much, but he could handle the scoring load. His three-point shooting efficiency dropped (because he took more difficult shots), but on the Bucks, he would have had easier looks and probably still kept his 40% from three.

However, the biggest price the Bucks paid was a year later. Although they won the coveted championship in 2021, the path could have been easier if Brogdon had been on the roster. In the 2021 Conference Finals against Atlanta, Giannis sprained his knee and missed two games—Middleton and Holiday managed, but extra help wouldn’t have hurt. And in the Finals against Phoenix—they won 4-2, Holiday was phenomenal defensively, but inconsistent offensively. Having Brogdon as an additional option then? A dream.

Of course, there’s no room for complaint—they won the championship, helped by a player they brought in for Bledsoe and picks (Jrue Holiday). However, notice that this is part of why they had to spend huge draft capital: because Bledsoe didn’t meet expectations, he had to be traded (plus three first-round picks and two swaps) for Holiday (editor’s note: Brogdon could have perhaps been the piece traded for Holiday instead of Bledsoe). If they had kept Brogdon and, say, moved forward with him and a cheaper guard instead of Bledsoe? Maybe they wouldn’t have had to give up so much. But Holiday is a top defender and leader, so ultimately, it was worthwhile.

Nevertheless, the belief persists in Milwaukee to this day that letting go of Brogdon was a purely cost-saving move that almost cost them the title. The owners did avoid the tax in 2020 (Brogdon would have pushed them into it), but in 2021, they paid a lot anyway with Holiday. And fans felt disappointed because Malcolm was a favorite and fit the organization’s culture perfectly: intelligent, humble, hardworking—a true team player. He was even a spiritual leader in the locker room.

Years later, one can say: okay, they managed without him. But as a list of the biggest mistakes, this is high up, because at that moment: first, they didn’t know Holiday would come (that only emerged a year later); second, 2020 was a disaster—it seemed tragic. Many analysts pointed to Brogdon’s absence as one of the main reasons why the Bucks struggled in the playoffs. What’s more, he probably would have stayed if the Bucks had simply written the check. The Pacers gladly gave him what he wanted. And Milwaukee even defended the decision, emphasizing “we want to give Donte DiVincenzo a bigger role” (Brogdon was only a second rounder anyway, easy to find a successor?). Donte was solid, but not in the same class.

So, placed fourth on our list—not because Brogdon became a superstar elsewhere (he didn’t, though he won Sixth Man of the Year in Boston in 2023), but because the Bucks weakened themselves at a moment when they were a step away from the Finals. It’s rare to see a 60-win team trade one of its top three players, and a young one at that, without a real replacement, just to avoid paying. Those few million in tax could have cost them dearly. Maybe it didn’t, because Giannis and co. managed with Holiday a year later. But imagine if Giannis hadn’t signed his extension in December 2020 (it was rumored he wanted to see if the club was all-in—letting go of Brogdon was hardly an all-in move). If Giannis had left in 2021, the Brogdon case would have been talked about until the end of time.

Phew, they avoided the worst, but the stain remained. Brogdon, by the way, admitted he wanted to stay in Milwaukee but didn’t get an offer. He packed his bags for Indiana with a heavy heart. For a player who gave so much, it must have been upsetting. In Bucksland, many people to this day would have preferred Bledsoe to leave in the summer of 2019 and Brogdon to stay. Finances, however, are a powerful argument, and unfortunately, fans sometimes witness such unpleasant decisions.

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-feat...025-yi-jianlin-malcom-brogdon-greivis-vasquez
 
Eurobasket Prep Recap: Greece 104, Latvia 86

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Today was an exciting day for the verb “drop.” Florence + The Machine dropped the lead single for their sixth album, and its title—“Everybody Scream”—was an apt reaction to Giannis Antetokounmpo dropping 25 (all stats per Harris Stavrou) as Greece defeated Latvia 104-86 in preparation for next week’s Eurobasket 2025.

Greece got out to a strong start, leading 30-17 after one over Kristaps Porzingis and company. They would maintain that lead for the rest of the game, winning or tying each of the subsequent quarters. Joining Giannis with double digit point totals were Giannoulis Larentzakis, Alexandr Samontourov, and Tyler Dorsey, while Konstantinos Sloukas dished out 10 assists. The boys from Riga were led by Rihards Lomazs’ 17 points, with Porzingis adding a mere seven.

Giannis stuffed the stat sheet, adding 10 rebounds and three assists (for a total of 38 poisisounds) as well as two steals, two blocks, and only one turnover. He went seven for nine from the charity stripe and—bless—missed the only three he took. Notably, many of his points were right in the teeth of Porzingis, including several fadeaways. Perhaps the most important number? 15 minutes of run, good for seventh best on the team.

Thanasis also played! He racked up more fouls (three) than points (two)—more fouls than Giannis in less gametime—alongside four boards and a steal. Look out, AJax and Amir.

Greece plays Italy on Friday. In the meantime, I leave you with the oddly germane lyrics to Everybody Scream:

Here, I don’t have to quiet
Here, I don’t have to be kind
Extraordinary and normal all at the same time
But look at me run myself ragged
Blood on the stage
But how can I leave you when you’re screaming my name?
Screaming my name

Here, I can take up the whole of the sky
Unfurling, becoming my full size
And look at me burst through the ceiling
Aren’t you so glad you came?
Breathless and begging and screaming my name
Screaming my name

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-feat...e-recap-giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks
 
Demolition man: A hypothetical Bucks resurrection

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In 1993, Warner Brothers released Demolition Man, a sci-fi action starring Sylvester Stallone, Wesley Snipes, and Sandra Bullock. The premise is ridiculous (in the best way): in the year 2032, crime lord Simon Phoenix (Snipes) is thawed from a 36-year suspended animation sentence for his parole hearing, only to (of course) escape and wreak havoc in a now-utopian Los Angeles ill-equipped to stop him. The solution? Phoenix’s original arresting officer—Detective John Spartan (Stallone)—is also brought back and teamed with Lieutenant Lenina Huxley (Bullock) to put him away once and for all.

The movie—as Entourage’s Billy Walsh would attest, this is no film—remains an enjoyable ‘90s romp and its cheesy one-liners, early CGI weirdness, and (ironically) dated takes on the future conjure nostalgia and pseudo-nostalgia alike. And this is where the idea was born—stay with me.

Like Demolition Man’s Los Angeles, the Milwaukee Bucks’ present has been thrown into disarray (particularly since the utopia of ‘21) and while this off-season has certainly made things interesting, a return to glory is far from guaranteed. This begs the question: if the Bucks could resurrect one former player and slot them into the current team to (mind the pun) demolish the league and restore order, who would it be?

Conditions apply​


I know what you’re thinking: piece of cake! Kareem, Moncrief, Marques, Allen, Big Dog, Redd… Khash! How could you go wrong, right? While any of these guys would make the current Bucks “lick ass”—and I mean that in the Lenina Huxley sense—that’s too easy. Plus, we’re all too familiar with how seemingly made-for-each-other superstars don’t always pan out (I stress: Giannis, the grass doesn’t get any better than Good Land green). So, just like the CBA’s aprons constrict current roster construction in the name of parity, this thought experiment also warrants some parameters:

  1. All-Stars need not apply. If the player made an All-Star team in their Bucks tenure, they’re excluded from selection.
  2. No loopholes. Players have to be taken as their Bucks versions. For example, if you want sweet-shooting Danilo Gallinari as the team’s new three, you’re getting the 2.8 PPG Bucks version, not the 19.8 PPG Clippers one.
  3. Position matters. You want Tyrone Hill? You’ve got Tyrone Hill. But the Bucks are pretty set at power forward, so unless you want him playing the three or taking Myles Turner’s spot at the five, he’ll be coming off the bench.

Finally, a personal caveat: while numbers paint a picture, everyone knows they lie too, so my eventual decision is limited to players I’ve actually watched on the hardwood (sorry, Junior Bridgman, Paul Pressey, et al.). This isn’t a hard-and-fast rule, though, so make your own judgment call.

Candidates​


To make things easier, here’s a reminder of some ghosts of girlfriends Bucks past, listed in order of career points per game during their time in Milwaukee (statistics courtesy of Basketball Reference). Players highlighted in red made at least one All-Star appearance as a Buck—so they’re out (see rule 1). And, of course, you’re welcome to pick Bucks who aren’t listed below—my first thought just happened to be one such player.

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Decisions, decisions​


Obviously, there are numerous ways to go about this. Do you select the best player available regardless of position? Do you favour someone who’ll lessen the offensive burden on Giannis? Or is it an upgrade on the wing that’s most important? While others might raise an eyebrow to our points (and Sam Cassell was so tempting), I’m quietly confident—I will die on that Kevin Porter Jr. hill and am convinced he, Cole Anthony, and Ryan Rollins make for a quality triumvirate. I’m also content with the stocks at the two—the spacing of Gary Trent Jr. and A.J Green is invaluable. So, like Spartan chasing Phoenix, my target was locked in: a wing upgrade.

My affinity for Luc Richard Mbah a Moute had him at the top of my pre-research list. Versatile defenders are at a premium in today’s NBA and they don’t get much better than The Prince, who would immediately be this team’s best lock-down option. Just as important, though, are players who can stretch the floor—especially if they’re going to be paired with Giannis. Having never hit more than 13 triples in a season with the Bucks, this is not Mbah a Moute.

I also strongly considered Tim Thomas, who gets bonus points for being part of the 2001 Eastern Conference Finals squad. His size, shooting, and offensive versatility would make him an even greater weapon in today’s NBA than he was in the 2000s. Perhaps, as Ray Allen once proclaimed, he really could be the best player in the league? Splashing triples, yamming on defenders, two-dribble pull-ups… dude had it all. Or maybe I’m still hooked by the lure of all that untapped potential.

Other wings of that vintage—Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, Keith Van Horn—all underwhelmed for one reason or another, and while I love the theory of Richard Jefferson—size, athleticism, finishing—he lacked the three-point gravity and ball handling that would really help today’s squad.

In the end, there was really only one option for me. I wanted a wing who could space the floor, create offense (both for himself and others), and be a strong defensive presence. Sounds like Khris Middleton, huh? While he was off the table, John Salmons wasn’t. His run with Milwaukee was brief—two years, 110 games—but he could play three positions (possibly four in today’s game), hit 38% of his threes, protected the rock (only 1.8 turnovers per game), and defended well (defensive rating of 104.6). He also led the Bucks to a tightly contested seven-game playoff series against the third-seeded Atlanta Hawks.



So, who will you choose? Put yourself in Jon Horst’s shoes and get hypothetical.

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-feat...s-former-player-current-roster-demolition-man
 
The chapter of errors, part V: 15 biggest mistakes by the Milwaukee Bucks (2002–2025)

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Editor’s note: read parts I, II, III, and IV here.

3. “Tobias Who?”: Trading Tobias Harris for Half a Season of J.J. Redick (2013)

We’re on the podium, and here shine true gems of incompetence. Tobias Harris, a name that in Milwaukee evokes expressions of regret and anger. This is a case of extreme short-termism, meaning “just make the playoffs, even if it means blasting the future into space.” Unfortunately, the Bucks fell victim to this thinking in 2013.

Tobias Harris joined the Bucks in 2011 as a teenager (19 years old), drafted 19th by Charlotte and immediately traded to Milwaukee (it was part of a complex trade involving Stephen Jackson and others). At the time, Tobias was considered a promising wing: strong, with a shot, capable of playing with his back to the basket, good on the boards. On the Bucks, however, he had a tough start. Coach Scott Skiles was known for his lack of patience with young players, so Harris played garbage time in his rookie season, sometimes flashing brilliance (a few games with double-digit points), but generally Skiles preferred veterans. Despite this, Tobes showed promise: in 2012 Summer League, he was dominant. Harris worked hard and started the 2012–13 season as… a starter! Yes, Skiles surprisingly put young Harris in the starting five at the beginning of the season. Unfortunately, after a month, he suffered an elbow injury and was out for several games pushing him to the bench for the next two months. During that time, Skiles lost his job (the Bucks were mediocre), and Jim Boylan took over as interim coach.

Boylan, unlike Skiles, completely disregarded Harris in the rotation. A healthy Tobias returned, and the new coach gave him… five minutes here, a DNP there. Fans were shocked: why are they playing Mike Dunleavy and Marquis Daniels when they have a young bull like Harris hungry to play? But Boylan had a top-down mission—to make the playoffs (Bucks owner Herb Kohl always preferred eighth place over the lottery). So he opted for experienced players because he didn’t trust a 20-year-old. Harris withered on the bench for weeks, growing increasingly frustrated.

The 2013 All-Star break and trade deadline arrived. The Bucks had a record of around 26-25, meaning the eighth seed was almost guaranteed, but they dreamed of climbing higher. Their biggest problem was three-point shooting, especially off the bench; they lacked a shooter, as Dunleavy was inconsistent. J.J. Redick, a shooter from Orlando, whose contract was expiring, was available and the Magic wanted something for him before he left that summer. Redick was a valuable weapon: 15 points per game, 39% from three, a recognized specialist. The Bucks bit.

On February 23, 2013, a trade was made: Milwaukee acquired J.J. Redick, Gustavo Ayón, and Ish Smith from the Orlando Magic. In return, Orlando received Tobias Harris, Beno Udrih, and Doron Lamb. To be clear, Beno Udrih was an experienced backup PG, whose contract was expiring; Doron Lamb was a no-name rookie from the second round, nothing special. So in reality: Tobias Harris for Redick, plus the rest to match salaries.

Even at that moment, you didn’t need to be a genius to yell “WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!” Tobias was only 20 years old, with two years left on his rookie contract, and he showed flashes of brilliance. Redick, 28 years old, half a year left on his contract, and likely to leave that summer (it wasn’t certain the Bucks would extend him, as he’d probably want a lot of money). It was an all-in move to make the playoffs and get hammered in the first round, because the Bucks weren’t playing for anything more. Of course, that’s exactly how it ended: Milwaukee made it as the eight seed (38-44 record, because after the trade, they ironically played even worse), and in the first round, they were swept 0-4 by LeBron’s Miami Heat. Redick played poorly in the series (averaging seven points and 19% from three—a disaster); he never quite found his footing in Milwaukee (with Monta Ellis and Jennings, it was hard for him to get shots up). After the season, he signed with the Clippers without blinking an eye. In other words, the Bucks gave up a future potential All-Star for 28 games of Redick (regular season + playoffs).

The worst, however, was yet to come and would emphasize the magnitude of the mistake: Tobias Harris in Orlando finally got minutes and… exploded. In his very first game with his new team, he scored 20 points. A few weeks later, on March 17, in a matchup against the Bucks (oh, the horror), Tobias dropped 30 points, 19 rebounds, and five assists on his former team, and the Magic beat the Bucks in overtime. Not enough? I’ll add that in the final seconds of that overtime, with Orlando leading, Harris emphatically dunked the ball, even though he could have dribbled out the clock. A statement dunk: “take that for not appreciating me.” Bucks players were outraged (because it was unsportsmanlike to dunk like that at the end of a won game), but Harris didn’t care. It was a statement: Milwaukee’s knees must have buckled seeing the kid they traded for nothing in action.

For the rest of the 2012–13 season, Harris averaged 17.3 points and 8.5 rebounds in 27 games for Orlando; from a benchwarmer on the Bucks, he became a top option for the Magic, even though they were a tanking team. In subsequent years, Tobias developed into a solid wing averaging around 18–20 points per game, somewhere between a star and “just a good scorer.” He played for several clubs (Pistons, Clippers), always performing at a high level, until in 2019 he joined the Philadelphia 76ers, where he signed a max contract ($180m over five years— a lot, as he’s sometimes criticized for not being a max-level star, but that’s another story). In any case, Tobias Harris became a 20-point per game scorer, precisely what Milwaukee had been looking for for years. And they had him right there. And gave him away for an aging mercenary.

This trade is for the Bucks what the Vlade Divac-for-Kobe draft rights trade is synonymous with for the Lakers, just in reverse. Milwaukee was the fool in this transaction. It always appears somewhere in rankings of the worst trades of the 2010s.

Why did it happen? Again, the influence of owner Sen. Kohl: he wanted playoffs at all costs. The 2013 Bucks had a record around .500, the Magic offered Redick: a name (would it boost ticket sales?) and a shooter. Kohl reportedly pushed for it. GM John Hammond supposedly defended himself, saying it wasn’t his initiative, but it went through. Interestingly, according to rumors, the Bucks initially offered Mike Dunleavy (expiring contract, experienced shooter) for Redick. The Magic didn’t want him. So they asked about Harris, and the Bucks should have said “no way.” Unfortunately, they agreed. In the locker room, it was said that Skiles and Boylan didn’t believe in Tobias (Skiles benched him after 4 games, Boylan continued to ignore him, and they probably signaled to Hammond that Harris wasn’t a game-changer). Oh, how wrong they were.

To be fair: Redick, after that flop half-season with the Bucks, thrived with the Clippers and played great there for 4 years. It’s not that his career ended, but Milwaukee got nothing out of him. They probably wouldn’t have extended him anyway, because he preferred a bigger role on another team.

On the list of Milwaukee’s mistakes, this is top three, no argument. Even if Tobias hadn’t become a multi-millionaire and borderline All-Star, the principle is: do not give away a 20-year-old with potential for a guy for three months. It’s elementary. The Bucks broke it, and to this day, that move symbolizes an era of fruitless chasing of the eight seed. How differently could the club’s fate have turned out if Tobias had stayed, maybe they would never have hit rock bottom in 2014 and wouldn’t have drafted Giannis? On the other hand, maybe they would have built with Giannis and Tobias in parallel. Who knows.

It’s worth adding that in 2013, a change occurred. Owner Kohl finally agreed to a rebuild, albeit a controlled one. Unfortunately, a year too late. By trading Harris, they lost a key element of their young core. In 2014–15, they were starting over with Giannis and Jabari Parker… if Tobias had been alongside them, how much easier would it have been? Though there probably wouldn’t have been room for Parker then, but Parker was ultimately eaten by injuries anyway.

2. A stab in Milwaukee’s heart: The Ray Allen for Gary Payton Trade (2003)

We’re approaching the biggest mistake, but first: the runner-up. For many Bucks fans, especially those who remember the 90s and 2000s, this is probably their number one worst memory: the day a beloved superstar was traded for an aging, grumpy star. Sound familiar? Yes, we’re talking about the Ray Allen trade.

Let’s go back to early 2003. The Bucks at the turn of the century were a “Big Three” team: Ray Allen, Sam Cassell, Glenn Robinson: a trio that led Milwaukee to the Conference Finals in 2001 (a memorable series against Iverson’s Sixers, lost in seven games after controversial officiating; the Bucks were a step away from the NBA Finals). Unfortunately, subsequent seasons saw a regression. In 2002, the team didn’t even make the playoffs, and tensions between the stars and coach George Karl grew. In the summer of 2002, Glenn Robinson was traded to Atlanta, supposedly refreshing the roster, but friction remained, mainly between Ray Allen and coach Karl. Ray was a fan favorite: young (27 in 2003), handsome, humble, hardworking, and an incredibly talented shooter. Many saw him as “the new Reggie Miller,” and even potentially someone better. He spent six and a half seasons in Milwaukee, played in three All-Star Games, won the three-point contest, and was the face of the organization. Unfortunately, his relationship with Karl soured; it was reportedly about discipline and commitment. Karl was known for sarcastic remarks, Ray for his pride and professionalism; sparks flew. Kohl had to choose: do I side with the coach or the star?

He chose… the coach. The contact probably also played a role: Allen was approaching the end of his (he was set to be a free agent in the summer of 2003). He was likely demanding a max deal. Senator Kohl had a reputation for being reluctant to pay big money, and George Karl was convincing: we won’t win with Ray; we need changes. The Bucks had a record of around 25-25 in February 2003, they played inconsistently, and Karl complained that Allen wasn’t the leader he wanted.

And it happened: on February 20, 2003, just before the trade deadline, the Milwaukee Bucks traded Ray Allen, along with a proverbial “contribution” (young scorer Flip Murray, veteran point guard Kevin Ollie, plus a 2003 first-round pick) to the Seattle SuperSonics. In return, they acquired Gary Payton and Desmond Mason.

This trade shook the NBA. Payton was indeed a legend: a 9-time All-Star, an icon of 90s Seattle, one of the best perimeter defenders in history. But he was already 34 years old, and his contract was also expiring in the summer of 2003. Seattle traded him because they were rebuilding, hence they added Mason (a young athletic dunker) so Milwaukee wouldn’t get too bad a deal. However, from the Bucks’ perspective: they traded a 27-year-old sharpshooter (practically a future Hall of Famer, though it wasn’t known then how much he would develop) for a 34-year-old point guard nearing the end of his career (though still strong—Payton in 2003 averaged 20 PPG and eight APG).

Why did they do it? Well, they thought short-term: “The Glove” plus Cassell will give us a playoff boost now (editor’s note: and opened up a starting role for rising star Michael Redd). Besides, Karl dreamed of working with Payton again. He coached him in Seattle in the 90s; they had a love-hate relationship, but Karl believed Payton was a leader with grit that Allen lacked. They weren’t worried: Payton supposedly wanted to extend in Milwaukee, Mason was young enough to develop, so maybe they’ll keep both? Ray Allen would probably leave for free in the summer if they didn’t give him the max, so they’d rather get something.

That’s probably what they thought. Reality: Payton played only 28 games for the Bucks (regular season plus the 2003 playoffs). Yes, he played well (averaged 19 PPG and seven APG in the regular season; the Bucks went 10-8 to finish the season). He led them to the playoffs as the seventh seed, where they fought a tough series against the New Jersey Nets (lost 2-4). Payton played well, but the Bucks were eliminated. And then Payton… left. In the summer, as a free agent, he had no intention of languishing in Milwaukee. He was hungry for a title and signed for peanuts with the Los Angeles Lakers (where he formed a famous “superteam” with Karl Malone, Kobe, and Shaq).

Milwaukee was left with nothing, only the memory of a few months of Payton. They were left with Mason, a solid dunker, 15 points per game for a few years, a nice guy, but never an All-Star. Meanwhile, Ray Allen returned to his All-Star level in Seattle as early as 2004, and over time climbed even higher. In 2005, he averaged 26 points per game, leading the Sonics to the conference semifinals. Then a trade to Boston, a title in 2008, and another with Miami in 2013. A Hall of Fame career, an all-time record for made threes (later broken by Curry). A guy whose jersey would have been retired by the Bucks. Except, the Bucks preferred Payton.

For Milwaukee fans, it was traumatic. Ray Allen was the face of their team; he was also involved in the local community. Literally, grown men cried when the news broke. Even Ray didn’t hide his emotions. He felt hurt because he genuinely wanted to stay in Milwaukee and rebuild the team’s power. In interviews years later, he said: “they told me I wouldn’t be traded, and the next day I was packed for Seattle. It hurt like hell.” In one fell swoop, the Bucks lost their biggest star since Moncrief, and their local popularity plummeted.

On top of that came the results: After Allen’s departure, the Bucks fell into mediocrity, or rather, stagnation. The 2003–08 seasons saw a first-round playoff appearance at most, often missing the playoffs altogether, until Brandon Jennings arrived. With Ray, they would at least have had an attractive star around whom to potentially build a new roster. Without him, they became a team without a face (Redd still had to develop, and though he was a great shooter, he wasn’t quite Allen’s caliber).

All in all: the darkest day for a Bucks fan in those years. Karl was hated (to this day, many say the trade is his fault because he didn’t get along with Ray). By the way, Karl didn’t lead the Bucks much longer: after the 2003 season, he was finally fired. So they fired the coach for whom they sacrificed a star. Sad and frustrating.

No wonder our ranking places this very high at two. It’s worth noting that this wasn’t just a sporting mistake, but a blow to the club’s identity. Suddenly, the Bucks became a no-name team for the rest of the league; in the eyes of fans, “they don’t care about the best players.”

Ray Allen is still loved in Milwaukee today, even though his best years were elsewhere. When he appears in the stands (he’s visited several times to watch Giannis’ playoff runs and cheered for his old team), he gets standing ovations. What if they had kept Allen in 2003? The Bucks probably would have given him a sox-year contract, and maybe they would have reached the conference semifinals in 2005 like Seattle? Maybe they would have built a better supporting cast around him and Redd? We don’t know that. We know they made a trade just to save the season, but they failed miserably.

There’s only one case that overshadows even this one. And we’ll move to that now.

1. The fateful 1998 Draft: Trading Away Dirk Nowitzki (and Pat Garrity) for “Tractor” Traylor (1998)

I know, I know. This series was originally meant to cover the period starting from 2002, the year I personally joined the ride and began living through every Bucks moment. I just can’t ignore what happened just a few years earlier. In 1998, a single move reshaped the entire following decade and became, for a long time, the ultimate symbol of frustration in Milwaukee. Even though it took place before I emotionally tied myself to this team, its shadow was still very much present when I first sat down to watch the Bucks in 2002. That’s why this list has to begin here. Because to truly understand the highs, the lows, and the strange cocktail of emotions that came with supporting the Bucks over the years, you need to go back to draft night 1998 and the decision that ensured Dirk Nowitzki would never wear green and white.

The biggest mistake of the Milwaukee Bucks? In the eyes of the NBA? Probably this one. Although it occurred just before the period outlined in the title (technically 1998), its consequences were felt throughout the entire first decade of the 21st century, and it is still remembered today as a cautionary tale. We are, of course, talking about trading away the rights to Dirk Nowitzki on the night of the 1998 draft.

The 1998 Draft took place during a lockout: uncertain times, and international scouting was still in its infancy. The Bucks had the 9th pick then, and their general manager was Bob Weinhauer (in practice, however, he consulted Karl and club legend Junior Bridgeman on personnel decisions with). Milwaukee desperately needed a strong big man. A year earlier, they had drafted Tim Thomas (a forward), they also had Glenn Robinson (a forward), but the center position was struggling (Olden Polynice?). They dreamed of a young power forward or center to pair with Glenn. On the list of prospects was Robert “Tractor” Traylor from Michigan, a massive (290+ pounds) center/power forward, who had just been named MVP of the conference tournament, had charisma, and the strength of an elephant. However, there was a problem: Traylor was projected in the top five, the Bucks had the ninth. They might miss out.

Meanwhile, somewhere in the second half of the lottery, Dirk Nowitzki was a 19-year-old mustachioed German who had shone at the Nike Hoop Summit but was still considered a mystery. The few who watched him (including then-Dallas Mavericks coach Don Nelson) fell in love. They even projected him into the top 10. The Bucks also had him on their radar. And on draft night, a miracle happened: Dallas wanted Dirk (they had the sixth pick), but they knew they could get him lower, so they traded up with the Bucks: Dallas would pick Traylor at six for Milwaukee, and Milwaukee would pick Nowitzki for Dallas at nine. Milwaukee would also send pick no. 19 (Pat Garrity) to Dallas. The Bucks wanted Tractor, the Mavs wanted Dirk. A match made in heaven.

Dallas later packaged Garrity in a trade for Steve Nash, so they gained Nash & Nowitzki from that single exchange! The rest is history: Dirk Nowitzki struggled for the first two years, but then exploded, becoming one of the NBA’s greatest stars, 2007 MVP, 2011 champion, a top six scorer in league history. A Hall of Famer, an icon of Dallas, and European basketball.

And what about Robert Traylor? Unfortunately, the friendly giant had serious weight and health issues. He only played two seasons for the Bucks (averaging 4–5 points and three rebounds), after which they sent him to the Cavs. He never fulfilled his college potential. His story ended tragically. In 2011, he died of a heart attack at just 34 years old; unfortunately, obesity and cardiac problems overcame him.

While the Bucks were lauded for it at the time, this trade is one of the most one-sided in NBA history. Even if they understood that the teenage German was a long-term project, wasn’t it worth trying? Well, they preferred immediate strength and a “safer” pick—and that’s what ruined them. The Bucks made excuses for years: “Everyone would have done that back then, Dirk was an unknown, and Traylor dominated the NCAA.” To some extent, that’s true.

Imagine the alternative: the Bucks with Dirk Nowitzki and Ray Allen as a duo. That could have been a dynasty! Even with Glenn Robinson added to that. As it was, in 2001, they still reached the conference finals, but with Dirk, would they have been in the NBA Finals? Instead, Dirk in Dallas became one of the top 75 players ever, while the Bucks had no one of that caliber for decades.

This mistake is so obvious that even if it formally occurred before 2002, it had to be on the list. It’s like a mythical monster, a shadow hanging over Milwaukee. Even the Ray Allen trade pales in comparison because Ray still became a star with them, contributed something, while was never a Buck at all.

Of course, one can speculate: would Dirk have developed the same way in cold Milwaukee without mentor Nellie? Or without Nash? Maybe not, maybe he would have left in free agency. But that’s just speculation; the hard facts are merciless.

That is why trading away Dirk Nowitzki earns the title of the biggest mistake of the Bucks (despite a slight stretch of the dates). Even counting from 2002, the echo of this mistake is felt long because the Bucks, after 2001, fell into stagnation again, and Dirk played in the Finals in 2006, won a title in 2011. Every Milwaukee fan watching those 2011 Finals rejoiced (because Dirk is a great guy), but in the back of their minds, it lingered: “damn, he should have been one of us…”

Epilogue:

The fifteen stories above constitute a peculiar catalog of sins and blunders by the Milwaukee Bucks over more than two decades. Themes of excessive short-sightedness, misguided talent evaluations, owner pressure to simply make the playoffs, or just plain bad luck intertwine here. There is much sarcasm and criticism in this chapter, but it must be noted: the Bucks as an organization have learned much from their own mistakes. When Giannis lifted the trophy in 2021, fans in Milwaukee could finally say: “it was worth the suffering.” However, the path to the title was riddled with landmines—as seen, some of them blew up right in their faces.

Would the Bucks avoid similar mistakes today? One can hope. The new owners and management seem more inclined to invest in the future (though, for example, giving up five second round picks for Crowder in 2023 recalled old demons). The Bucks’ history is a warning: even a small market cannot win if it cannot manage talent and assets with a clear head.

For consolation, let’s add that Milwaukee is not the only author of spectacular blunders. Every team has its skeletons in the closet. But Bucks fans certainly underwent solid training in patience and black humor before successes arrived. And such stories, like the ones above, are then told for years—as a warning, and as an encouragement to the heart. Because if, despite so many mistakes, one can climb to the top, it means it’s never too late to atone for past wrongs.

Will the Bucks avoid further mistakes? Hopefully so. But knowing NBA life, sooner or later someone somewhere will take a risk, miscalculate, outsmart themselves… and we’ll have material for more chapters of this chronicle of blunders.

Thank you for reading and going with me through these fifteen stories of Bucks history. Working on this project for the last few months gave me a lot of joy and excitement. I’m curious about your opinion. Which of these decisions do you disagree with the most? What do you think is missing from the list? Share your thoughts in the comments. I’d love to hear your view. Dziękuję.

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-feat...rge-karl-dirk-nowitzki-robert-tractor-traylor
 
Eurobasket Prep Recap: France 92, Greece 77

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France completed their flawless run-up to this year’s Eurobasket competition, defeating Giannis Antetokounmpo and Greece 92-77 in Athens. Some NBA fans may remember the name Theo Maledon, who led the French with 16 points. For the Greeks, it was Antetokounmpo, of course, leading the scoring column with 20 points.

Game Recap​


New York Knicks signee Guerschon Yabusele got off to a blistering start for France, going 3/3 from deep in the opening minutes and talking trash in the process. Other than getting to the charity stripe, Giannis was largely held in check in the opening frame; however, legendary Greek guard Kostas Sloukas picked up the slack with a couple of nice moves to the cup. Greece up 20-17 after one.

Greece bombed a pair of triples as the second quarter began to up their lead to nine. Giannis attacked the rim for a beastly and-one a few minutes later, and Greece was moving the ball nicely for open threes. But a few of France’s young NBA talents, Zaccharie Risacher and Bilal Coulibaly, kept them in speaking distance, only down 43-49 at the half.

France’s third quarter was masterful, beginning with a 7-0 run to take the lead in the opening minutes. Midway through the third quarter, Giannis got out on the fast break for a ferocious windmill jam to ignite the crowd and tie the game up at 56. France then responded by ending the quarter on a 15-5 run; Alex Sarr got in on the action with a few tough finishes at the rim, before Risacher nailed a three in the final minute. France up 71-61 after three.

Sarr continued to leave his imprint on the contest in the final frame with a few more finishes at the cup. Greece’s Vassilis Toliopoulos nailed a tough corner three to reduce the French lead to 11 with seven minutes to go, but Isaia Cordinier responded with a ridiculous contested three multiple steps behind the line, proving it was not the home team’s night. Giannis had another and-one a few minutes later, but it was too little, too late. France wins.

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-feat...giannis-guerschon-yabusele-zaccharie-risacher
 
Milwaukee’s problematic path of one-way point guards: Chapter 3

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The final chapter of this point guard deep dive is here. In Chapter 1, I discussed weak link theory through an alternate lens, a lens in which the theory is applied to players who are elite at one end of the court but can struggle mightily on the other. This has been a problem the Bucks have dealt with for the past seven seasons with each of the three PGs to don the jersey during that time. Then, in Chapter 2, the conversation shifted to Jrue Holiday, where I used all sorts of data to debate if the trade “paid off.” In Chapter 3, I’ll conclude by taking stock of Damian Lillard’s time wearing Bucks Green. Namely, I consider whether the Bucks truly needed Dame’s scoring punch, especially if it meant sacrificing the team’s elite defence. Additionally, I discuss what to make of the last two consecutive injury-riddled playoffs, as well as how a more lateral move on the trade market might have impacted the team’s fate in hindsight. Finally, I’ll conclude with a nod to the NBA Finals, considering how teams can win it all in the current day.


Weak link #3: Damian Lillard

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In 2023, Jon Horst made multiple pivots, including trading Jrue Holiday for Damian Lillard. At the time, I viewed the trade as a high-risk/high-reward play that had the potential to raise Milwaukee’s ceiling but would dramatically reduce the team’s floor. I get that Dame’s personal numbers were pretty good, but from a team perspective, I don’t think the ceiling was anywhere close to being reached, and the lowered floor significantly hurt the Bucks. I’ll plant my flag and say I don’t think this trade was a success (maybe not a hot take?), nor would it have been even if injuries hadn’t hit. Look, I guess I understand trading Jrue if the belief was that his regular-season shooting efficiency, for whatever reason, would never translate to the postseason. However, despite my deep appreciation for Dame’s commitment to the Bucks during his time with the franchise, the more research I did, the more I believed the team traded for a player they 1. didn’t desperately need and 2. couldn’t maximise, while sacrificing the traits they hung their hat on in the process. Maybe this is too simple a way of looking at the trade, but in a vacuum, I see it like this: Horst traded Milwaukee’s defensive ace, who had been bad on offence in the playoffs, for an offensive ace, who had been bad on defence in any setting. Jrue’s defence would always be there, while Dame’s offence (although elite when he was on) was probably more hit-and-miss than fans would’ve expected. The effect of all this is that the exceedingly high floor Milwaukee once had to fall back on was no longer there; hence, they began losing games they never used to lose.

If stats say a team generally must rank highly in the playoffs on both ends to win, and you’re picking one of these players in hopes of achieving that, the question to ask is: which variable out of Jrue’s playoff shooting or Dame’s defence has more upside to improve? To me, the answer is Jrue almost by default. And to be clear, it’s not like either variable is necessarily likely to improve! But I view it in a binary sense: one might improve, the other categorically will not. By keeping Jrue, the outcome of maintaining an elite defence (and hoping the offence was good enough in the playoffs) remained eminently possible. By acquiring Dame (as outlined in a paragraph below), you are, on some level, willingly renouncing the team’s defensive dominance and hoping to shift the team’s identity to one of offensive dominance. Betting on a team being able to rewire itself like that is fraught with danger, as fans learned over the past two seasons. P.S. Getting into the nitty-gritty of why the team couldn’t rewire itself is another article for another day. That said, if I were to try to summarise my best answer into one sentence, I would posit that the front office incorrectly evaluated 1. the severity of some of the lesser-appreciated weaknesses of Milwaukee’s core players and 2. how those weaknesses would affect Dame’s strengths; I’ll leave it at that.

I contend that if Horst couldn’t trade Jrue for someone who 1. was around his level as a defender and 2. met the minimum requirement of being a dependable catch-and-shoot guy and secondary creator (preferably having shown that in the playoffs as well), then his best bet was to keep Holiday and hope the playoff shooting improved. After all, it wasn’t like Jrue had never shown an ability to shoot efficiently the way, I don’t know, Tony Allen hadn’t; Holiday is a career 37.0% three-point shooter in the regular season! Nevertheless, the trade was made, and the logic behind it was to surround Lillard with competent two-way players—thus retaining some remnants of that elite defence—and then improve significantly in the playoffs on offence. Now, I should note that while the frontcourt of Giannis and Brook remained, Dame didn’t exactly have the best defensive backup as far as wings and guards go; thus, the “ideal” defensive plan never quite got off the ground. That is to say, fans don’t definitively know the answer to “could Milwaukee’s defence have been championship-level with Dame if they had covered every other base?” because the Bucks didn’t “cover every other base.”

That said, it’s worth noting that the Blazers tried this same defensive strategy with Dame and were also unable to achieve a consistent championship-level defence. Portland initially tried insulating Dame (and CJ McCollum) with the likes of Al-Farouq Aminu, Maurice Harkless, and Evan Turner; then, they shipped McCollum out and tried again with Jerami Grant, Josh Hart, and Gary Payton II. Now, I accept that Jusuf Nurkić remained the team’s centre through most of this, which wasn’t ideal defensively, but he was a key screening partner for Lillard, so I get staying with him on some level. Regardless, the facts are that in his 11 years in the Pacific Northwest, Dame was part of a team that ranked from fifth to 10th on defence twice, and never inside the top five (sixth in 2017–18 and ninth in 2014–15). Contrarily, he played on five teams that ranked 25th or lower. Not that a team’s poor defensive rating in a given year automatically means a key player within that team is a poor defender. However, when a clear trend emerges over a decade, it’s evident that the individual players within that team hold some level of culpability.

Moreover, suppose you want to use advanced stats as evidence of Dame’s individual defensive foibles—which I know aren’t always reliable at measuring individual defensive value—you can look at DBPM. For context, a player with a 0.0 DBPM is said to be performing at an average level defensively. Lillard had a -0.8 DBPM in 11 regular seasons in Portland, Holiday had a 0.3 DBPM in three seasons in Milwaukee, and Giannis has a career 2.2 DBPM. Most importantly, though, when you pair these stats with the eye test—which is widely known to be more reliable than advanced stats for this purpose—I feel comfortable concluding that crafting a great team defence with Lillard is very difficult. It’s not just the fact that Dame is 6’2” and 195 pounds; he’s also always been a poor processor of the game on the defensive end. On-ball and off-ball, Lillard is tough to scheme around. Again, data shows that having a great defence is basically a prerequisite to winning a title, which makes the Lillard acquisition confusing on some level. The front office mortgaged another chunk of the team’s future for a player who has proven, through a fair sample size of quantitative and qualitative data, to place something of a hard ceiling on his team’s ability to achieve that title-winning prerequisite.

With all that said, I do want to note for complete transparency that there have been some notable exceptions to this rule, such as Denver’s title-winning team that finished the 2022–23 regular season 15th on defence; however, they rose all the way to fourth in the playoffs. Take from that what you will, but my theory as to how such a defensive transformation was possible is that 1. some breaks possibly went their way with matchups, and 2. I view Nikola Jokić (the Nuggets’ worst defender) as a decent amount better than Lillard (the Bucks’ worst defender). To me, Nikola’s IQ and brute strength separate him from Dame, making it easier to scheme around his athleticism concerns in the playoffs than it is to mask Dame’s deficiencies. In addition, I reckon the defensive infrastructure around Jokić during that season pretty easily surpasses what Dame had around him over the past two years. Finally, there’s the Occam’s razor of it all: the Serbian big man seems to increase his effort level in the playoffs compared to the regular season. All of that is to say, I don’t think a Nuggets-esque defensive transformation would’ve been in the cards for the Bucks even if they had been healthy for the last two playoff runs.

The tragic unknown

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As far as improving the playoff offence with Dame goes, I suppose it’s safe to assume that bet would have paid off, but Bucks fans will never truly know due to the severe injuries he and Giannis suffered over the past two seasons. Nonetheless, we can at least compare apples to apples and derive information about how the Dame Bucks improved or got worse in the regular season compared to the Jrue (and Bledsoe) Bucks:

SeasonOffenceDefence
2024–25 (Lillard)115.1 (10th)112.7 (12th)
2023–24 (Lillard)117.6 (6th)115.0 (19th)
2022–23 (Holiday)114.3 (15th)110.9 (4th)
2021–22 (Holiday)114.3 (3rd) 111.1 (14th)
2020–21 (Holiday)116.5 (5th)110.7 (9th)
2019–20 (Bledsoe)111.9 (8th)102.5 (1st)
2018–19 (Bledsoe)113.5 (4th)104.9 (1st)

As you can see, the regular-season defence with Lillard was horrible in year one and improved in year two (albeit still not on the level of a contender). Granted, the team’s defensive slippage can’t be blamed entirely on Dame; other factors had an influence, such as some of Adrian Griffin’s strange defensive tactics before he was fired. The key piece of information that I took from the chart, though, is that Milwaukee’s offence was never “broken” with Holiday (or Bledsoe). From 2018 to 2023, the Bucks finished just one regular season (2022–23) with an offence that ranked below eighth (and Khris Middleton appeared in just 33 games that season), which calls into question why the front office would be so infatuated with a one-way player like Dame. The playoff offence from 2018–23 ranked fourth, eighth, 11th, 15th, and sixth. There are some good and bad results in there, but no objective evidence of a clear downward trend, especially when you contextualise some of those numbers.

For example, that 15th-placed finish in the 2021–22 playoffs occurred with no Khris Middleton for (basically) the whole run because he sprained his MCL two games in. Yet, because of their first-placed defence, they were still one game away from making the Eastern Conference Finals that year. Even the following playoffs—when the Bucks finished an impressive sixth on offence (albeit on a tiny sample size), but their defence was horrible (15th)—must also be contextualised by factors outside the team’s control. Firstly, Giannis missed two and a half of those games with a back injury (and clearly wasn’t right for Games 4 and 5); secondly, Middleton wasn’t moving right that whole series, which was all but confirmed with him getting knee surgery that offseason. Plus, the eight-seed that Milwaukee “embarrassingly” lost to in the first round—having led in the fourth quarters of Games 4 and 5 by 14 and 16 points, respectively—made it to the NBA Finals!

And don’t get me wrong, choking Games 4 and 5 away was embarrassing—humiliating, even—and the Bucks should have won those games. But that Heat team was pretty damn good, man. Looking back, what a sliding doors moment that was; how might the Bucks not losing those games (in that round) have changed the team’s current situation? Do they win that series and make it to the NBA Finals in 2023? All of this only adds to the case that the front office may have been jumping at shadows by trading Jrue for a player who could not be more opposite than him. Now, I fully acknowledge that Holiday really struggled to make shots in the playoffs, and I do believe that may have been cause for a personnel change of some magnitude if the right guy became available. But in hindsight, trading for a player of Lillard’s archetype seems like a considerable overcorrection to solve a perceived weakness that, you could credibly argue, was nowhere near as severe as the front office seemingly believed it to be.

The road not taken

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Allow me to pose the following counterfactual: would the Bucks have had more success if they had traded for a “lesser player” in Fred VanVleet instead of a renowned superstar in Damian Lillard? I’ll use this example because the Bucks reportedly explored a trade with the Raptors at the 2023 deadline to acquire Fred. Realistic or not, it’s at least interesting to consider how more of a lateral move might have changed the Bucks’ destiny over the past two seasons. While VanVleet has nowhere near the résumé of Holiday, he is an accurate example of the player type I was describing above in that he has at least some comparable defensive traits to Jrue—namely his strength and defensive IQ—who is also a dependable three-point shooter (in the regular season and the playoffs, notably) with secondary creator ability. Plus, Horst likely wouldn’t have had to give up as much capital to get him.

Don’t get too hung up on this very comparison, though; I just used it because there was real reporting behind it. There are a lot of other names you could throw out. Ultimately, I’m just making a point about the type of player the Bucks seemingly needed versus the player they went all-in to get. This wasn’t some Orlando-style situation where the team couldn’t put points on the board and needed an explosive scorer like it needed to breathe. Sure, guys missed a bunch of makeable shots in the postseason; that’s not necessarily evidence of bad process, though. As the chart in the above section shows, that same process produced a bunch of highly potent offences in the regular season. Yes, obligatory nod to the “playoff basketball is different than regular season basketball” POV, but the two are not so different that such radical change was needed.

The luxury that having Giannis affords you—and the primary reason why the Bucks had become so dominant in the first place—is that he can generate most of the offence and is also a great defender, which allows you to build out the rest of the team with a defensive slant. Now, I acknowledge that having a dynamic scorer alongside Giannis was something of a missing piece for the team, considering how much Khris Middleton dealt with injuries following the title. But to me, trying to acquire that player at the risk of their bread and butter was short-sighted. If Horst was willing to part ways with another three years of picks and wanted to “star hunt” for an explosive scorer, it’s fair to argue that he should’ve had a firm requirement that the player be adequate on defence as well. If that player wasn’t available, I think the high floor of the existing team was still worth betting on. To use an analogy, “the car didn’t need replacing, it just needed a service.”

Concluding with a nod to the NBA Finals​

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In closing, it’s clear that the teams that win titles succeed on both ends. To succeed on both ends, it’s becoming increasingly necessary to eliminate players who can’t hold up at one end (even if they are prolific on the other). This is weak link theory in action, and I think it prompts larger conversations in the future as to whether one-way players will essentially become extinct as key pieces on teams. Just watch last season’s NBA Finals as evidence of this. I’m not sure how to adequately describe the level of physicality, but absolutely everything—getting open, dribbling, setting a screen—was a war in and of itself. That all would’ve gone away the second a poor defender or shooter was subbed in, which is why neither coach dared to do so (barring the occasional Thomas Bryant minutes, respectfully).

Seriously, look back at OKC’s rotation: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Jalen Williams, Luguentz Dort, Chet Holmgren, Isaiah Hartenstein, Alex Caruso, Cason Wallace, and Aaron Wiggins. Although some of those players played shorter minutes, I feel confident in asserting that none of them would be considered a weak link on either end in a playoff series. But even if you want to quibble with how true that really is for the Thunder’s supporting pieces like Wallace and Wiggins, it as definitely true for the core of that group, which, as I discussed in Chapter 1, is what differentiates the Thunder from the Bucks (along with a heap of other teams, to be fair).

And although Indiana didn’t have the bevy of elite individual defenders OKC had, they still ended up second in playoff defensive rating (behind the Thunder). Why? Because while the Pacers certainly had a few elite defenders of their own in Andrew Nembhard and Aaron Nesmith, even the players opponents looked to “target” are not defensive weak links; they give elite effort and understand how to do their job within a given scheme—sorry, but I cannot say the same for Lillard. For example, Tyrese Haliburton is light and can get overpowered from time to time, but 1. his height and length naturally help to raise his defensive floor, and 2. he has improved significantly at maxing out on the mental side of the game and not making mistakes with his footwork, positioning, etc. Haliburton has surpassed the point of being a circuit breaker for the rest of Indy’s defence.

Honestly, I think “circuit breaker” is going to become the bar moving forward for players on both ends; you must keep your head above water and not be the reason the offence or defence splinters. Anything below that, and the juice just might not be worth the squeeze anymore. Unfortunately, Milwaukee has spent the last seven years dealing with circuit breakers (to varying degrees in varying moments) at the point guard position. Due to Horst’s continued aggressiveness, the front office now faces a tricky predicament regarding how they operate moving forward with limited assets. I think it’s safe to say the Bucks GM has one more big move in him. If Horst does go again (and in no way should that be a fait accompli), it could well be the most consequential move of his Bucks tenure. Get it right, and the window to another title could spring wide open; get it wrong, and the team could be left in the wilderness for longer than any of us fans want to think about. Considering the past, keeping weak link theory top of mind when making that decision would be well advised.



I hope readers enjoyed this series, whether you agreed with my takes or not. Although this series may have seemed like I was just bashing the Bucks’ point guards for the last seven years because of the inherent focus on the negatives of each player in this series, I certainly did not intend for it to come off that way. I found it fascinating (and frustrating) that the team has struggled to find the right balance between offence and defence at the PG position since becoming title contenders in 2018, which is why I wanted to write about it. It goes without saying that all three of Bledsoe, Holiday, and Lillard were excellent teammates and community members throughout their time in the Cream City, and I wish them well in the future.

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-anal...k-theory-damian-lillard-giannis-fred-vanvleet
 
When titans collide: An exclusive interview with Tyson Beck on his card collaboration with Giannis

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Once told he’d never make it as a graphic designer, Tyson Beck has become one of the most renowned sports artists on the planet. Having worked with every major pro sports league in the U.S.—and a plethora of others around the world—Beck has become a pioneer in the trading card space, the first artist to license cards directly with athletes. So it should come as no surprise that his drops quite literally sell out in seconds. Fresh off a July collaboration with Stephen Curry dubbed “Ruined the Game x 4K Club,” Beck has turned his attention to another generational, one-franchise hooper: Milwaukee’s Giannis Antetokounmpo—and his brothers, Thanasis, Kostas, and Alex.

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ZD: First off, thanks for taking the time to speak with us. We hear a lot about the grind NBA players go through to get to where they are, but seldom hear the stories of those who help them transcend the sport. Talk us through your journey to becoming an internationally renowned artist.

TB: No, thank you for the opportunity. That’s a great question because, outside of my wife, nobody really sees first-hand the time, sacrifices, and ups and downs of the journey behind it all. It’s certainly not something that is given to you—or luck. In saying that, I think it was very opportunity-based, which was fortunate.

When I started in 2005, there really was zero sports content or sports design community—literally nothing. With no social media, I was making wallpapers, avatars, and sigs for fans for fun on basketball forums. So it was an opportunity to do things nobody else was really doing. Seeing teams, leagues, and agencies not doing any creative content around games and moments, I started up a design group called Posterizes a few years later, and we became a creative outlet for NBA fans. This led to me working for multiple teams and the NBA for eight years, handling their social media creative and branding for games and events.

Fast forward to today, every team and league produces amazing creative content—it’s become a major focus. It really was an opportunity to start in an era where no one was doing it to build my name in the industry.

It was 15 years of hard work and sacrifices that led to my first drop—and it sold out in minutes. It was a surreal feeling.

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ZD: You’ve carved a lane of your own, becoming the first artist to license cards directly with athletes. Where did this idea come from, and what has the evolution been like for you?

TB: I started working with Topps in 2014, making cards and sets with them, but in 2020, when the world stopped, I looked at how people were supporting me more than ever and grabbing cards because I made them, and I just had an idea to bet on myself and give it a crack.

It was a crazy time, and maybe it needed to be for me to take such a gigantic financial risk. Outside of the purchase of my first house, it was easily the most expensive thing I have ever done. The first deal was with Jayson Tatum—no funding, no investors. All upfront. Just money I had saved by essentially working two full-time jobs my whole life.

Essentially, it was 15 years of hard work and sacrifices that led to my first drop—and it sold out in minutes. It was a surreal feeling.

ZD: Can you provide some insight into your creative process—does it begin with a particular highlight, emotion, or something else?

TB: The card industry is very template-based and often not specific to the athlete at all. So I try to lean into the athlete’s characteristics, personality, and how they attack the game. It really is the athlete that is the source of inspiration, and my challenge is making something that will appeal to someone who collects that athlete’s cards. That said, because the industry is so built on templates and sets, I do mix it up by throwing in some more templated cards to appeal to that side of collectors.

ZD: Now, you’ve just finished a collaboration with Giannis, Thanasis, Kostas, and Alex Antetokounmpo. Tell us about this experience.

TB: It was awesome—I was able to do my first ever quad-autograph card, and having four of the Antetokounmpos as the focus was special. Thanasis, Kostas, and Alex were all very kind and respectful. Giannis was a vibe; he was fun.

Just like athletes strive to be the best on the court, I strive to be the best I can be in my craft. So I specifically wanted Giannis to sign in a way he hasn’t done in a set of cards since 2014–15. To the outside world, that might seem like nothing, but for his collectors, it is a huge thing. I was able to get it done, and Giannis was great to connect and chat with.

I feel that, in situations like these, it helps being Aussie—someone different to who athletes are used to interacting and dealing with when it comes to this industry and signings.

ZD: A physical phenomenon on the court, Giannis has always presented himself as grounded and playful off the court. What stood out to you most about working with him?

TB: What stood out was that I couldn’t tell when Giannis was being serious or when it was banter and playfulness! But I guess that shouldn’t be a surprise, as we aren’t close and I don’t have that level of relationship with him. What also stood out was his strong family values—he makes his brothers feel included and involved. That’s something I really respect about Giannis.

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ZD: Your work has a distinct energy and flair to it. How do you approach translating an athlete’s style of play—like Giannis’ physical dominance—into visual form?

TB: Thank you. With Giannis, you’ve got to dive right into his raw emotion on the court—and his reach. To me, those are the two strongest aspects to his game, so that is evident in my cards. I also added some antlers surrounding the artwork to represent the team in a cool visual way—that was key for me.

ZD: What about this particular drop—what does this piece say about Giannis?

TB: For me, it’s about authenticity. This is my first game-worn patch from an NBA player going into cards. In an industry where most patches are simply fan jerseys cut up with no association to the player, this is long overdue—and something I saw as an opportunity to take on and change.

Not only are the jersey patches game-worn, but the card also details the exact game Giannis wore it in—January 28, 2022 vs. New York—and documents the big performance he had that night: 38 points, 13 rebounds, and five assists. This is what collectors care about and what I want to start doing differently compared to the bigger, mass-volume companies.

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ZD: Of course, the collaboration goes beyond just Giannis, celebrating Thanasis, Kostas, and Alex too. How did you approach showcasing their unique stories alongside Giannis’?

TB: For me, it was just about connecting them in a new series I am developing with cool dual, triple, and quad autos. Having the brothers as the first featured in the set was a perfect way to kick it off.

ZD: Your work is often layered with symbolism. Are there any Easter eggs in this drop that fans might miss at first glance?

TB: There were Easter eggs in my 2021 championship drop with Giannis, but not for this one. Come to think of it, now I’m frustrated I didn’t do anything!

ZD: It’s safe to say the trading card game has exploded in recent years. How do you see it continuing to evolve moving forward, and how do you stay ahead of the curve?

TB: It has exploded! I’ve seen a lot of people come and go, but I feel like if you are in it for the right reasons—if you care about your collectors and your community—good things will happen.

Last week marked five years since my first drop with Jayson Tatum, and since then, I have literally worked on my cards business every day and night. Before that, as I mentioned, I was doing design and artwork for the NBA, creating social content, but the thought of people scrolling by work I’d spent hours on—and forgetting about it after 15 seconds—really made me rethink the purpose of it all.

Now, I have people who support and collect my designs and art—people who will potentially hold onto them for 15+ years instead.

The human element to art and design will always be king.

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ZD: Speaking of change, what’s your take on AI and its impact on the digital art industry?

TB: It’s interesting, that’s for sure. I remember the early days learning Photoshop—when new tools and features would come out, a lot of people in the design industry would say it’s cheating, or that it wasn’t “real” art. It took years—probably a decade even—for digital design art to be taken seriously in the creative world.

Now with that just feeling like it rolled over, AI has come in overnight, and it’s quite incredible to see how fast it is adapting. I can certainly see the benefits of it with client work—getting mockups, drafts, and ideas presented and approved to save time. That’s where I could see the biggest utility of it. But the human element to art and design will always be king.

ZD: You’ve worked with both legends and rising stars—is there someone you haven’t worked with yet who’s at the top of your wish list?

TB: Michael Jordan for sure. He’s the one at the top of my list. Hopefully one day!

ZD: Your work has undoubtedly inspired a generation of graphic designers. What advice would you give them?

TB: Just to believe in yourself and to ignore the noise. If I had listened to friends, family, teachers, or people online, I wouldn’t have gotten anywhere. If you have a strong passion for it, that’s your biggest advantage. Put in the hours, make sacrifices, and be prepared when your name is called.

ZD: Okay, my last one’s a pitch: a split card series celebrating guys who’ve contributed in multiple roles with their franchise—like Marques Johnson as player and analyst or Vin Baker as player and coach. What do you think?

TB: Absolutely! Those niche ideas can work. People love players beyond just what they did on the court. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the podcast players get a series made at some point!



Beck’s collaboration with Giannis drops Monday, September 1st (U.S.). You can find it—and more of his work—at shop.tysonbeck.com and follow him on Instagram @tysonbeck. Don’t miss your shot—this one’s bound to sell fast.

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-feat...eck-giannis-trading-cards-milwaukee-bucks-nba
 
In defense of the reverse-eating cam

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We here at Brew Hoop pride ourselves on not sticking to sports. We dutifully cover the sporting exploits of your Milwaukee Bucks, but we do not limit ourselves to such exploits. In fact, some of our most consistent coverage has emerged around a subject that likens itself less to a chilly night in Milwaukee than a warm summer’s day on Coney Island:

BAN THE REVERSE CAM, I AM BEGGING YOU. For those of you who are unsure what this is, it’s one of the in-game bits during commercial breaks where they show fans on the Jumbotron REVERSE-EATING and it is the NASTIEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE. It never fails to send shivers down my spine. Heck, I don’t even watch it anymore and hearing the groan of the poor people who actually are watching is enough to make me queasy. Ughhhhh. (Gabe Stoltz, 2019)

The Reverse Cam was brought back last night. This is not okay and should not happen. For those who don’t know what I’m referring to, basically, the Bucks will take footage of fans eating food and then reverse it. It’s as disgusting as it sounds. (Gabe Stoltz, 2021)

I’m glad I missed this during one of the stoppages in play. Y’all, I know it’s Valentine’s Day, but treat this like the Reverse Eating Cam and just…don’t. (Mitchell Maurer, 2022)

The reverb on the Hornets’ PA announcer might, over the course of the entire game, be worse than the Reverse-Eating Cam. (Morgan Quinn Ross, 2022)

Yes, even yours truly has piled onto today’s subject: the Reverse-Eating Cam. As eloquently explained above by Gabe, the Reverse-Eating Cam is exactly what it sounds like: camera footage of Bucks fans eating, in reverse. To the exalted names above, we can add Eric Nehm of The Athletic, who is known to give a thumbs down when appearing on the cam.

The Bucks are actually credited with coming up with this strange concoction. They debuted it in 2018, to apparently little fanfare. But Brew Hoop was on its case come 2019, alongside a viral post by The Athletic podcaster J.E. Skeets that earned it opprobrium from Barstool and more (as well as a clever post from the Mothership with all its words and sentences in reverse). It clearly struck a nerve—perhaps in part because the Bucks had the largest screen in the Association at the time.

In a long line of atoning for my past wrongs, I would like to offer a defense of the Reverse-Eating Cam in two parts. First, it is not gross. Second, it speaks to the heart of the human experience.

Critics of the Reverse-Eating Cam—and even some of its few defenders—tend to label it as gross (see above). Food should go in, not out, they say. And food that goes out is chewed up at best and vomit at worst. Gross!

But: it’s not! It’s fully formed food: the same food that we put in there. Unlike other in-game entertainment that alters the camera stream—I’m looking at you, eyes and mouths being blown out of proportion cam—the Reverse-Eating Cam is au natural.

When food comes out, we assume that it is regurgitated (a favorite word in coverage of the Reverse-Eating Cam). That calls to mind the ground up fish that penguins serve their kiddos. In reality, the food isn’t digested at all. It’s hardly even masticated! It’s only gross because our lizard brains think it is. As System 2 thinkers, we can break the automatic association between “food out” and “gross.”

But the Reverse-Eating Cam is more than just not gross. In fact, I hold that it holds up a mirror to ourselves, one that demands us consider our humanity. Highfalutin language that means that it challenges our preconceptions of the world, specifically about (a) time and (b) food.

We perceive time as linear. Each second is the same number of caesium oscillations, one after the other. But science fiction (as well as plain ole science) pushes us to expand our notion of time. In Slaughterhouse Five, the Tralfamadorians liken humans’ view of time to being strapped on train tracks and only looking forward. In Arrival (based on Ted Chiang’s Story of Your Life), when Amy Adams learns the language of her alien friends she begins to see time like the Tralfamadorians: the past, the present, and the future, all at once.

What the Reverse-Eating Cam lacks in the complexity of Vonnegut and Villeneuve, it makes up for in simplicity. It doesn’t rely on science or fiction. By simply reversing a mundane activity, it asks us to consider time as nonlinear. It pushes us to experience beyond what we normally experience.

It also calls for reexamining our complex relationship with food. Food is nourishment, but it inextricably tied to societal norms about body image as well as myriad eating disorders. The Reverse-Eating Cam seems to capture anxieties around both by centering on not eating.

But: the food was eaten! The discomfortable discourse around not eating is challenged by the fact that reverse-eating necessitates eating. The Reverse-Eating Cam asks to consider eating and not-eating as natural sides of the same coin; both things that we do, all the time.

The Reverse-Eating Cam may just be eating in reverse. But it can be more than that. Not gross—natural. In fact, deeply human.

And so I welcome the Reverse-Eating Cam. I look it in the mouth and see myself.

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-features-profiles/50781/reverse-eating-cam-defense-milwaukee-bucks
 
EuroBasket Recap: Greece 75, Italy 66

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Greece began its EuroBasket campaign in style with a win over Italy. Greece was led by Giannis, who dropped 31 points and seven assists on 14/20 from the field. Nicolo Melli led Italy with 15 points, five assists, and seven rebounds.

Game Recap​


Greece’s first quarter really won them the game, jumping out to a 22-12 advantage after one. Giannis got going with a ridiculous dunk stretching from one side of the lane to the other, followed by a downhill attack and finish at the rim over the defence’s outstretched hands. Nicolo Melli chipped in for the Italians with a quick rip to the hoop, but Giannis was too much of a presence, towering over the helpless defence with another dunk.

Italy got back into the game in the second, outscoring Greece 20-14. It was one-time Buck Danilo Gallinari who got going in the second, dropping five early points in the quarter. Then, Melli and Alessandro Pajola got in on the act as the Greeks struggled to fire, only up 36-32 at half.

Giannis got Greece off to a better start in the third as he tricked the defence into thinking he would shoot the left-wing fadeaway, only to pass it at the last second for a Kostas Sloukas triple at the end of the shot clock. Then, Kostas Antetokounmpo ignited a beautiful sequence with the chase-down block, resulting in a Giannis catch and dunk down the other end. Italy’s Saliou Niang had an impressive dunk over the Greek defence as he slipped the screen and jammed it home, but Greece still controlled the game with a 56-45 lead after three.

Vassilis Toliopoulos kicked Greece off in the fourth with a huge step-back triple, before coming back a few minutes later with a nice alley-oop to Giannis. Italy would stage a valiant comeback, reducing their deficit to just five with 49 seconds left, but Greece ran a beautiful ATO to get Giannis an open dunk and end the game on top.

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-feat...-italy-final-score-recap-giannis-nicolo-melli
 
Bucks Reacts Survey Results: Trent & Green is the ticket

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Our most recent iteration of our Reacts fan surveys ties a bow on the starting lineup question for next year’s Bucks. Earlier in the offseason, we learned that a slight majority of respondents prefer Kevin Porter Jr. as the starting point guard over Ryan Rollins and newcomer Cole Anthony. I think it’s safe to assume that Giannis and high-profile free agent signing Myles Turner will make up the starting frontcourt. So it’s no wonder that the discussion revolves around the two and three, after both positions had revolving doors last year. But the same cast of characters is back, who do fans want to take the floor on Opening Night alongside the aforementioned trio?

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For Game 5 of Milwaukee’s first-round series against Indiana last spring, Doc Rivers mercifully changed his starting quintet to feature Gary Trent Jr., AJ Green, KPJ, and Bobby Portis alongside Giannis. In Porter’s case, this was brought about by Damian Lillard’s torn Achilles. The other three? Because Brook Lopez, Kyle Kuzma, and Taurean Prince each had rough series in their own ways. Lopez is now out of the picture, but images of Prince struggling to defend young Pacers wings while going from one of the NBA’s best three-point shooters in the regular season to just 2/9 are still fresh in fans’ heads. And Kuzma, well… the images are either of him doing nothing in his 0/0/0/0/0 (plus two personals) Game 1 or blowing layups (5/15 inside the restricted area during the series).

Prince and Kuzma each started for the Bucks down the stretch, both out of position as they slid down one notch on the positional spectrum from their natural spots at small and power forward, respectively. Somehow, that big four-man grouping with Giannis and Lopez had a +5.9 net rating, so it made sense to give it a go in Game 1. It became clear very quickly that it wouldn’t work, so by Game 2, fans were clamoring for a change, which came too late. At the end of the regular season, while Dame sat out with a blood clot, the Bucks closed games with KPJ, Giannis, Portis, GTJ, and AJG to great success: a ridiculous +51.2 net—the Bucks’ best lineup with over 20 minutes played (they only had 42, though). While that group’s net rating wasn’t as good against Indy (still +6.3!), it’s pretty clear that something works here.

Naturally, fans prefer running this group back next year. 93% of our voters want Trent to start, which he didn’t do for almost the entire year last year—probably a mistake not moving him back into the starting five at some point after he returned from a few early-season games missed with back spasms. Green didn’t start much at all, but was effective enough on defense and has good size to play the two. Trent does as well, but starting either at the wing leaves a big gap between Giannis and either guy, even with their 6’7” (Green) and 6’9” (Trent) wingspans making up for their 6’4”–6’5” listed heights.

The other question is how this will work now that Turner is involved. We’ve seen the results with Portis, and that option remains, but (small sample size warning) Trent, Green, Porter, Lopez, and Giannis were +75.8 in 17 minutes. Even in 20 minutes with Prince replacing Green, they were +6.3. So whatever limited data we have to extrapolate from, a Turner/Giannis/Trent/Green/Porter lineup could be their best option, especially in winning time.

Whether or not we see that from jump street is a different question. Prince started 73 contests last year—second most on the team—but there’s not a whole lot of desire for him in our survey to reprise that role. Kuzma also isn’t a popular choice, even alongside Trent, though if I had to bet money, I’d put it on Doc starting Kuz at the three in October. I don’t like it any more than you do, but maybe he’ll surprise us.

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Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-poll...survey-aj-green-gary-trent-jr-starting-lineup
 
EuroBasket Recap: Greece 94, Georgia 53

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In a lopsided contest, Greece came away with a big 94-53 win over Georgia. Giannis dominated for the Greeks with 27 points (on 9/11 shooting), four assists, eight rebounds, and two steals in 25 minutes of action. Georgia was led by former Buck Sandro Mamukelashvili (or just “Mamu”), who had 14 points. Unfortunately for Georgia, Goga Bitadze (who would have guarded Giannis) did not play.

Game Recap​


Greece had a tremendous first quarter, with Giannis posting a ridiculous eight points, three assists, two rebounds, and two steals on 4/4 shooting. In fact, Antetokounmpo and Konstantinos Mitoglou scored Greece’s first 14 points. Greece’s defence was excellent in the early going, racking up five (!) steals in the opening frame; that defence allowed them to get easy baskets in transition. At the end of one, Greece led 22-13.

Georgia made some good strides to open the second, with George Korsantia, Kakhaber Jintcharadze, and Kamar Baldwin scoring seven of the first nine points. However, the Greek defence (and Giannis) got going after that; Antetokounmpo was subbed in at about the six-minute mark of the quarter and scored eight more points to end the half. Even though Hellas was dominating, there was an impressive play from Mamu, who drove down the right side of the court and jammed it over the Greek defender. Still, Greece had a significant 46-29 lead going into the locker room.

Giannis began the third with a corner three, followed by a triple from Kostas Papanikolaou. Antetokounmpo continued to score around the basket as Georgia’s defence could do nothing without Bitadze there to offer some resistance. Greek sharpshooter Giannoulis Larentzakis got in on the act with a three of his own as Hellas extended its lead, up 69-41 after three.

Georgia’s Giorgi Shermadini did all he could to make the final score respectable, dropping six points to open the fourth. However, Greece was just too good, with Thanasis Antetokounmpo and Tyler Dorsey getting those points right back. Giannis was subbed out late in the third quarter as the game was essentially over; observers assumed he would sit for the rest of the contest, but he did come back in with 4:52 left in the game. Giannis would play another few minutes (scoring a few points at the charity stripe), but then was subbed out for good. Greece wins big.

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-feat...eorgia-final-score-recap-giannis-goga-bitadze
 
Thanasis Antetokounmpo returns to Bucks

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A move that felt inevitable has finally happened: Thanasis Antetokounmpo will be back with the Milwaukee Bucks. The announcement originally came from Thanasis’ social media in the form of a picture of him and Giannis with the caption “I’m back”, leaving fans in a fluster trying to interpret exactly what it meant. Within half an hour, though, ESPN’s Shams Charania confirmed a one-year, $2.9m veteran’s minimum signing (his cap hit will be $2.3m—the rest is reimbursed by the league) for the fan favorite. Thanasis was last on the Bucks in 2023–24, and has been playing for Greece’s national team in the EuroCup after returning from his injury.

This move creates some interesting roster implications. Assuming his contract is guaranteed (seems like a given), Thanasis will make the final 15-man squad, which means Milwaukee must make a cut to open up a spot for him. Andre Jackson Jr. is by far the likeliest candidate, as his contract is only partially guaranteed for $800k. His full 2025–26 salary won’t become fully guaranteed until Opening Night, so if the Bucks waived him and he goes unclaimed, they’d only incur $800k in dead salary on their books the rest of the year. Chris Livingston is also an option, though his deal is fully guaranteed and was just signed in July.

Amir Coffey, who is currently on an Exhibit 9 training camp deal, now has a slighter chance of earning a standard agreement, but perhaps Jackson Jr. and Livingston will both be gone, opening up another spot. A trade to move off of one of those youngsters to free up a spot may be in the works, but the recent saga of former first-round pick Olivier-Maxence Propser suggests Jackson Jr. and Livingston wouldn’t have much value on the open market.

In the offseason, NBA teams can carry up to 21 players on their roster, three of which can be two way contracts. Milwaukee currently has those three spots filled, plus 15 guaranteed contracts, one partially guaranteed contract (Ajax), and one non-guaranteed training camp contract (Coffey). That’s 20, so they presently have only one roster vacancy. By Opening Night, they’ll need to whittle their standard roster down to 15 players, plus the three two-ways.

Hilariously, this is the move that convinced Shams to believe what we knew months ago: Giannis will be staying on the Bucks for the upcoming season. Sometimes, all you can do is laugh at the B.S.

Welcome back, Thanasty.

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-free...antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-signing-giannis
 
Milwaukee Bucks Ranking The Roster 2025 – Introduction

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Bucks media day is four weeks from yesterday and preseason basketball five weeks from yesterday, so that means our annual and much-beloved exercise is back for its twelfth incarnation. If you’re unfamiliar, each year since 2014, we’ve polled Brew Hoop readers about which player is more important to Milwaukee’s success as opposed to his teammates, ultimately putting together a list that has grown from 15 to 18 names as NBA rosters expanded with two-way contracts. Teams usually are pretty solid by this point in the offseason, and while there are some exceptions this year due to ongoing restricted free agency standoffs, the Bucks aren’t one of them. Granted, they have surprised us in late September before and thrown our ratings off, but we press on.

How do we rank the roster? Well, we haven’t always had the same criteria as the Bucks’ title aspirations rose in the last seven years or so. As we’ve done since then, we’ll rate each Buck in terms of how we think they’ll impact postseason success, rather than their future importance, as we might have done in 2016 or so. Managing editor emeritus Adam Paris wrote this once we shifted to that line of thinking, and since it still rings true, here is our main recommendation on how to vote:

Postseason success should be paramount in your mind when considering your rankings. Regular season competency is a bonus, especially if they can help the team get to a higher seed that yields dividends in the Playoffs, but think about how you envision each individual player factoring in when postseason games arrive.

One constant among our rankings is Giannis, who has predictably taken the top spot each season since we began ranking the roster. There usually wasn’t any drama for second and third place either, with franchise stalwart Khris Middleton finishing second often, joined by trade splashes Jrue Holiday and Damian Lillard every year since 2020. Brook Lopez also found himself fourth very often too. Of course, none of those guys are Bucks any longer, and for the first time, Middleton won’t be on our list. So I’m particularly excited to see how voters decide spots two through five. I imagine newcomer Myles Turner will take second, but how high will 2025 deadline acquisitions Kevin Porter Jr. and Kyle Kuzma place? Will Bobby Portis—fifth every year since coming to Milwaukee—move up? Only one way to find out. But before we begin, let’s look at historical rankings among the current roster:

Current Player2024 Rank2023 Rank2022 Rank2021 Rank2020 Rank2019 Rank2018 Rank2017 Rank2016 Rank2015 Rank2014 Rank
Giannis Antetokoummpo11111111111
Myles Turner
Kyle Kuzma
Kevin Porter Jr.
Gary Trent Jr.5
Bobby Portis65555
Ryan Rollins17
Taurean Prince8
AJ Green91117
Jericho Sims
Andre Jackson Jr.1113
Chris Livingston1214
Gary Harris
Cole Anthony
Tyler Smith15
Thanasis Antetokounmpo1515121515
Jamaree Bouyea
Mark Sears
Pete Nance
Amir Coffey

As of Sunday, we welcome Thanasis back to our rankings and perhaps we already have his customary 15th spot warm for him. Now there are three members of the 2021 title team still on the roster! Besides Middleton, Lopez, and Lillard, two other longer-tenured guys we won’t see this year are Pat Connaughton (finished sixth or seventh most years dating back to 2019 before falling to 10th last year) and MarJon Beauchamp (fell from ninth to 14th). There are still plenty of holdovers from last year, though, and I see two names that should both rise significantly in AJ Green and Ryan Rollins. Taurean Prince seems likely to fall, but the others might stay in similar spots.

Of course, it seems very likely there will be some movement at the end of the roster between now and Opening Night, when the standard roster must be reduced to 15 players max (plus three two-ways). With Thanasis’ signing, the standard roster is currently at 17, and 15 of those guys are fully guaranteed; Andre Jackson Jr.‘s contract is only partially guaranteed, and Amir Coffey is on a training camp deal. To accommodate one of these guys (probably Thanasis), most speculate that Ajax is gone, but perhaps Tyler Smith is in danger too. With all this in mind, we’ll rank everyone who’s currently on the roster, since a decision may not be made until mid or late October.

The other element in our polls is the Gut Check, which is where you rate your confidence in a given player that they’ll be in the playoff rotation on a 1–5 scale (1 means riding the bench and 5 means logging heavy minutes). How did our holdovers from last year fare in this regard?

  1. Gary Trent Jr. – 4.72
  2. Giannis Antetokounmpo – 4.58
  3. Bobby Portis – 4.30
  4. Taurean Prince – 3.72
  5. AJ Green – 3.23
  6. Andre Jackson Jr. – 2.67
  7. Chris Livingston – 1.86
  8. Tyler Smith – 1.55
  9. Ryan Rollins – 1.25

And with all that preamble out of the way, I send you to the voting booth to determine the least important/20th most important Buck (editor’s note: this is our new poll feature, which will have more sophisticated options for future polling, like selecting multiple answers). Tomorrow we’ll unveil those results and preview the lucky (or unlucky, in this case) player for the season ahead, and you’ll get to vote on 19th. Right now we’ll keep the options pretty open, shaving them down as we go along.

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-anal...anking-roster-2025-introduction-nba-preseason
 
Ranking The Roster: Mark Sears debuts at 20th

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The first cab off the rank in this year’s Ranking The Roster series is Mark Sears, who arrives in the Cream City with a laundry list of accolades from the college level. In a sport heavily favoured to tall people, it’s going to be an uphill climb for the 5’11” Sears to make headway as an NBA player. That said, of all the short guards to reach the fringes of the league, I think he has as good a shot as anyone.

So, what qualities does Mark have that would make him of use to the Bucks? Well, the Bucks have a dearth of true playmakers on the team; you’re looking mainly at Giannis (obviously), Kevin Porter Jr., and Cole Anthony. If Sears plays meaningful minutes this season, it would likely be if one of Porter or Anthony gets hurt, and he’d assume some semblance of the role he played in college as a high-usage playmaker. Of course, he’d also have to beat out fellow two-way Jamaree Bouyea. I should note that Mark was closer to a scoring guard than a facilitator at Alabama, but the Bucks need scoring as much as they need passing, so that could work out OK.

Another aspect that could work in Sears’ favour is that, with Dame off the team, it becomes easier to insulate a smaller guard like him than it would have been with Lillard still on the team. Guys like KPJ, AJ Green, Gary Trent, and Ryan Rollins could surround Mark at the SG and SF spots to cover for his weaknesses. If they can work out how to keep him on the court defensively, he’s going to create good stuff on the other end with his shooting (career 37.5% three-point shooter in college) and scoring ability.

Finally, I want to address the “undersized, high-usage college players can’t scale down their roles in the NBA” argument. I think there is always value in being “the guy.” Players learn a lot by playing a role in which they are relied on heavily to create offence for their team. This experience is valuable because when these players reach the NBA, they should understand what “the guy” on the NBA team needs and be able to mould their game to fit that. Furthermore, Mark’s game lends itself to scaling down; he’s a good shooter and thus can play off the ball. He also has decent passing instincts (averaged 3.9 APG across five college seasons) and knows how to make the next play. For example, if Giannis were to post up and get double-teamed, Sears would know what the correct read is when the ball is swung to him (in a way that Taurean Prince, for example, probably would not).

Overall, I’m a fan of Mark Sears and love his story of rising from obscurity to become a two-time All-American. But what about you, the readers? Do you think Sears has any shot to see the floor this season, or in the playoffs? Let us know in the gut check and in the comments, but most importantly, vote below for who you believe Milwaukee’s next-best player is!

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-anal...-roster-mark-sears-alabama-college-basketball
 
EuroBasket Recap: Greece 90, Spain 86

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In an initially comfortable but ultimately tight battle, Greece defeated Spain 90-86 to clinch the top seed from Group C in the EuroBasket knockout stage. Giannis Antetokounmpo led the charge for the boys in blue and white to finish 4-1, scoring 25 necessary points that sent the defending champs and a recent thorn in Greece’s side packing.

Tyler Dorsey stood out for Hellas, scoring 22 points on a scorching 6/9 performance behind the arc. Kostas Sloukas and Kostas Papanikolaou added 12 and 11, respectively. Combined, the three contributed 12 assists. It was a balanced effort for Spain, with Jaime Pradilla, Mario Saint-Supery, Xabi Lopez-Arostegui, and Santi Aldama ranging from 14 to 12 points. Sergio De Larrea helmed the squad with six assists.

Giannis’ 25 points featured 60% shooting from the floor, but only 58% shooting from the line, a number he’ll be looking to improve. Still, he shot better than Spain’s 57%, including a frightful 0-3 trip from Juancho Hernangomez as Spain trailed Greece by four with 13 seconds remaining. But Giannis led his side with 14 boards and nine assists, just shy of a triple-double. Not too shabby from the Greek Freak (perhaps just “Freak” given the context), especially after missing two games (rest and knee).

Kostas and Thanasis also played a few minutes. The newly signed Antetokounbro scored a free throw and recorded a rebound alongside missing three shots and picking up a foul in under five minutes.

Greece will play Israel on Sunday at 1:45 local time in Riga. They face a favorable draw with France, Serbia, and Germany on the other side of the bracket. Giannis and co will be looking to advance to the finals at minimum.

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-feat...ecap-greece-90-spain-86-giannis-antetokounmpo
 
Ranking The Roster: Jamaree Bouyea enters the chat at 19th

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As longtime fringe NBA player at this point, my read on Bouyea is that he is basically a finished product as a third point guard in an NBA rotation. He has a high floor in that he knows how to play and won’t negatively impact the team; however, he has a low ceiling because of his limited physical attributes. Clearly, he sits between the level of the NBA and the G League, where he has career averages of 17.7 PPG, 5.9 APG, and 5.0 RPG.

As far as Jamaree’s chances of getting playing time go, my thoughts are similar to what I wrote about Mark Sears: there would have to be injuries. That said, one part of Bouyea’s game that, if it becomes elite, could give him a leg up is his three-ball. In the G League, he’s a career 36.2% shooter on decent volume, but shot a blistering 42.1% after coming over to the Wisconsin Herd midway through last season. If he can always stay above 40% from deep, that would make him much harder to ignore.

The other element that Jamaree would need to succeed as a small guard is learning how to guard 94 feet and being a bulldog at all times on defence. To be fair, I don’t feel as if I’ve watched him enough throughout his career to know if this is even a weakness of his, but I just wanted to mention that. Small guards who cannot impact the defensive side of the floor are basically unplayable unless they are offensive dynamos, the way Dame, for example, has been throughout his career.

What do you make of Bouyea? How does he compare to a guy like Mark Sears or even some of the guards on standard contracts? Let us know in the comments and the gut check. Also, vote for the 18th most-important player below!

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-analysis/50899/milwaukee-bucks-nba-ranking-roster-jamaree-bouyea
 
Ranking The Roster: Pete Nance carries on the family legacy in 18th

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With the spirit of this exercise being to determine playoff impact, it makes sense that Pete Nance has fallen this low in the rankings. After all, two-way players are flat-out ineligible for postseason participation— he’d need to earn a contract conversion to play in the games that matter the most. However, with the regular season in mind, Nance is in a better position than most of his end-of-bench companions, including Chris Livingston and Tyler Smith, to make some sort of real contribution. As a 25-year-old with two NBA seasons under his belt, he’s a veteran by two-way contract standards, and he has the polish to match his experience. Nance came into Summer League this past July as the steadiest hand on the court, looking like a man amongst boys next to his younger teammates. That, and the flashes he showed at the end of the 2024–25 season, warrant intrigue for how the big man can fit into this Milwaukee Bucks team in the upcoming year.

For Nance, success starts with his three-point shot. He’s hit 40.0% of his triples in the NBA so far (albeit on low volume), and he notched a 38.1% success rate in the G League last season. That type of reliability from beyond the arc gives Nance a defined role as a stretch four/five, and clarity when it comes to on-court capabilities goes a long way for fringe players getting a crack at rotation minutes, especially on competitive teams. Other players buried on Milwaukee’s depth chart also have solidified NBA skills (Andre Jackson Jr.’s defense and Mark Sears’ ball handling, for example), but where Nance separates himself is with the ancillary stuff. The Akron, Ohio native does a little bit of everything well enough to prevent him from being a liability in any area. He rebounds, defends the paint, makes good decisions with the ball, and screens willingly.

Now, there is definitely a ceiling for the type of playing time Nance is viable for, as he’s a tweener big who couldn’t be the primary rim-protecting five for long stretches off the bench. However, for 10–15 minutes a night on a random Tuesday in January, he’s a guy Doc Rivers should feel pretty confident about. A consistent rotation role won’t be in the cards for Nance (unless he’s the next AJ Green or Ryan Rollins), as he’ll be stuck behind Giannis, Myles Turner, Bobby Portis, and Jericho Sims in the front court. But if injuries arise, Nance should be effective insurance. Overall, signing him was a smart move from Jon Horst and company, as he’s exactly what a team trying to win should be looking for on a two-way deal.

What do you think? Does Nance have any chance at earning a contract conversion this season? Drop your thoughts in the comments below, and don’t forget to vote on the next spot in the rankings! Polls close at 10 a.m. (Central) tomorrow!

Source: https://www.brewhoop.com/bucks-analysis/50892/milwaukee-bucks-nba-ranking-roster-pete-nance
 
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